Request for the Kindle to be released internationally! - Page 3

FixB · 11-20-2007, 03:52 AM

By the way, I read on others posts that amazon is loosing money on some of the ebooks they sell way under the publisher price. This would not be allowed in France where there is a maximum of 5% debate on a publisher price for a given distributor. This law is specifically to stop big librairies (online or otherwise) to kill their 'small' competitors... too easily...

tribble · 11-20-2007, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FixB

By the way, I read on others posts that amazon is loosing money on some of the ebooks they sell way under the publisher price. This would not be allowed in France where there is a maximum of 5% debate on a publisher price for a given distributor. This law is specifically to stop big librairies (online or otherwise) to kill their 'small' competitors... too easily...

Well, they pay the publisher 35% of their suggested retail price, if i read correctly. That is very little. And they claim the right to sell it to any price they like. So i do not think, that they are putting money in.

Mobipocket gives the publishers 50% of the suggessted retail price. The retailers get a 30 to 40% , that leaves mobipocket with about 10% for each sale.

Compare that to Amazon, and you see what kind of profit they will draw from the ebooks and what freedom it leaves them to sell way cheaper than any other mobipocket retailer.

HarryT · 11-20-2007, 04:27 AM

I got a reply to my e-mail to Amazon UK. Just the usual generic "we do not offer this product at the current time. Keep checking our web site for possible updates" answer.

HappyMartin · 11-22-2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mrsp

Hey guys

You're all in danger of hypocrisy - Europe is not the only thing outside the US!!! There's little old me down here in Australia and I know there are other Aussie posters. I will send them (Amazon I mean) an email as I agree with CommanderROR.

I.

And down in the bottom end of Africa we are happy to gather up any old crumbs. Anyone have any old crap you no longer have a use for please just send it on down. Second hand toilet paper, nuclear waste and of course our great favorite, millions of land mines that have passed there sell by date. We are more than happy to trade for gold, platinum, diamonds, uranium, oil and any other commodities we have lying about.

Don't mind me, I'm having a bad day.

nekokami · 11-22-2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HappyMartin

And down in the bottom end of Africa we are happy to gather up any old crumbs. Anyone have any old crap you no longer have a use for please just send it on down. Second hand toilet paper, nuclear waste and of course our great favorite, millions of land mines that have passed there sell by date. We are more than happy to trade for gold, platinum, diamonds, uranium, oil and any other commodities we have lying about.

Don't mind me, I'm having a bad day.

I guess so! Hey, I think of you guys on a fairly regular basis. Sadly, I don't have much to offer in exchange for your commodities (or anything else).

strangeseraph · 12-08-2007, 11:27 AM

Its amazing how products like the Kindle, Zune, iPhone, etc, have been manufactured solely with US marketplace and technologies in mind without any thought to how well the device will work in outside markets. As if they predict the only good sales will come from the US. (Or they hope so! Maybe having a US only device would drive up the price of it overseas in preperation for a later launch!)

I don't know much about the market, but all I know is that iPhone, Kindle and Zune are not available in Canada. And it sucks.

Alisa · 12-08-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by strangeseraph

Its amazing how products like the Kindle, Zune, iPhone, etc, have been manufactured solely with US marketplace and technologies in mind without any thought to how well the device will work in outside markets. As if they predict the only good sales will come from the US. (Or they hope so! Maybe having a US only device would drive up the price of it overseas in preperation for a later launch!)

I don't know much about the market, but all I know is that iPhone, Kindle and Zune are not available in Canada. And it sucks.

I'm not that familiar with Zune but both iPhone and Kindle required partnerships to launch. The iPhone is now coming out in Europe because they made partnerships there. I wouldn't be surprised if the Kindle comes out in other places, too. There are tons of products, I would venture to say most, that do not launch globally. Usually products launch in stages. There are tons of mobile phones available in Europe and Asia that we never see here. Not ever. Not even a few months later. No one's screaming that Nokia is discriminating against the US. Even Motorola, a US company, often debuts their phones in Asia. I understand that America deserves plenty of bashing for a variety of things but this has nothing to do with American feelings of superiority. It's business plain and simple.

DaleDe · 12-08-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by strangeseraph

I don't know much about the market, but all I know is that iPhone, Kindle and Zune are not available in Canada. And it sucks.

It is likely that they haven't passed the appropriate FCC standards for Canada. It has its own standard and I believe they will not accept the US testing.

Dale

Charybdis · 07-21-2008, 11:31 AM

There was a rumor that Kindle will launch internationally, using Vodafone's system for "Whispernet".

Now it is July already, but still no Kindle internationally. Any news on this?

cush · 07-21-2008, 03:22 PM

After reading through this thread I'm wondering why those living outside the US don't just buy a Kindle as it is and then just download the ebooks via the Internet to be loaded manually via the included USB cable? Is there a problem paying for ebooks from outside the US as opposed to paying for regular Amazon paper books? The wireless connectivity is convenient but not essential. Software updates might be a problem, though.

desertgrandma · 07-21-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tirsales

Well, this just affirmes my believe. And clarifys why I believe that Amazon is ... oh well, at least their pbook-shop is rather good and fast-delivering... The Kindle .. I have said my part.

Oh well, apparently Amazon has a very brain-dead marketing (more to say would be rude...) and design team, I guess they give nothing about consumer-opinions (they have learned absolutely nothing from the last years) so I guess I will stop writing about the kindle. Saves your time and my nerves.

From everything I've read Amazon has been bombarded with requests for outside the US service. Now, do you really think, knowing the money to be made, they aren't working on solutions? Why would they knowingly give up the money to be generated thru sheer stupidity? No one knows why they aren't expanding as of yet. They aren't talking. I would give them the benefit of the doubt. Rumors are rampant, but no one has any facts.

astra · 07-21-2008, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cush

After reading through this thread I'm wondering why those living outside the US don't just buy a Kindle as it is and then just download the ebooks via the Internet to be loaded manually via the included USB cable? Is there a problem paying for ebooks from outside the US as opposed to paying for regular Amazon paper books? The wireless connectivity is convenient but not essential. Software updates might be a problem, though.

I would not buy it even if I lived in the USA. Don't like, as simple as that.
If tomorrow Kindle was sold in the UK and Sony is still in the USA, I would go for Sony.

desertgrandma · 07-21-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by astra

I would not buy it even if I lived in the USA. Don't like, as simple as that.
If tomorrow Kindlle was sold in the UK and Sony is still in the USA, I would go for Sony.

As is your right. Thats whats so wonderful about ebook readers.....there are so many that no one has to go without.

TheJohnNewton · 07-21-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cush

After reading through this thread I'm wondering why those living outside the US don't just buy a Kindle as it is and then just download the ebooks via the Internet to be loaded manually via the included USB cable? Is there a problem paying for ebooks from outside the US as opposed to paying for regular Amazon paper books?

You need a US credit card to purchase Kindle books. Also they won't ship a Kindle to a non-US address so you would need to jump that hurdle.

I guess the reason for wanting a Kindle outside the US would be for the Amazon ebooks? Otherwise why not just buy any of the other ereaders with eInk screens. Minus the cell phone connection they would be nearly identical functionaly.

astra · 07-21-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

As is your right

Yeah, I know

. I answered to cush on his question:

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I'm wondering why those living outside the US don't just buy a Kindle as it is

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11-20-2007, 03:52 AM	#31
FixB Groupie Posts: 186 Karma: 499 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: France, Toulouse Device: Sony PRS500	By the way, I read on others posts that amazon is loosing money on some of the ebooks they sell way under the publisher price. This would not be allowed in France where there is a maximum of 5% debate on a publisher price for a given distributor. This law is specifically to stop big librairies (online or otherwise) to kill their 'small' competitors... too easily...

11-20-2007, 04:27 AM	#33
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	I got a reply to my e-mail to Amazon UK. Just the usual generic "we do not offer this product at the current time. Keep checking our web site for possible updates" answer.

12-08-2007, 11:27 AM	#36
strangeseraph Connoisseur Posts: 53 Karma: 592 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Device: Amazon Kindle 3	Its amazing how products like the Kindle, Zune, iPhone, etc, have been manufactured solely with US marketplace and technologies in mind without any thought to how well the device will work in outside markets. As if they predict the only good sales will come from the US. (Or they hope so! Maybe having a US only device would drive up the price of it overseas in preperation for a later launch!) I don't know much about the market, but all I know is that iPhone, Kindle and Zune are not available in Canada. And it sucks.

07-21-2008, 11:31 AM	#39
Charybdis Enthusiast Posts: 29 Karma: 607 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Budapest, Hungary Device: BeBook	There was a rumor that Kindle will launch internationally, using Vodafone's system for "Whispernet". Now it is July already, but still no Kindle internationally. Any news on this?

07-21-2008, 03:22 PM	#40
cush Virtual Staggerwing Flier Posts: 68 Karma: 602 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego CA USA Device: Kindle (and an iMac)	After reading through this thread I'm wondering why those living outside the US don't just buy a Kindle as it is and then just download the ebooks via the Internet to be loaded manually via the included USB cable? Is there a problem paying for ebooks from outside the US as opposed to paying for regular Amazon paper books? The wireless connectivity is convenient but not essential. Software updates might be a problem, though.

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