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01-19-2010, 06:51 AM | #137 | |
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Change won't happen unless somebody notices there is a problem. Writing letters didn't make them notice. This will. One of the best experiences I had in my short-lived career as a professional journalist many years ago was an editor who taught me the importance of treating this like a *business.* If you want to 'make money' then you need to keep your feelings out of it and give the people what they want to buy. Selling and marketing is part of the job too, if you're treating it like a 'job' and not a hobby |
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01-19-2010, 09:05 AM | #138 | |
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You're proving precisely why this sort of action is necessary. (And no, most books are *not* contracted *that* far in advance...) |
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01-19-2010, 04:37 PM | #140 | |
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Contracts that are being signed NOW will have this flexibility incorporated into them, then just as blogs, online forums are being built into business models, so will the ebook and its distribution be built into the book contract. But ebooks are a NEW thing to the majority of the population and this is a transition period. But doing stuff like this is simply crap. Authors like JK Rollings are probably so well entrenched they can risk not putting their books into ebook form - believe it or not, ebookers are in the minority on this planet. Last edited by Pushka; 01-19-2010 at 04:42 PM. |
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01-19-2010, 04:45 PM | #141 | |
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hopefully this is educational to the authors coming up on new contracts and this type of consideration will benefit them. "ebookers" may be in the minority now, but I do believe that this is a VERY rapidly changing circumstance. good ol' JK can stay entrenched as long as she likes, but I for one have made my last legal purchase of any of her work until she comes out of the hole in the ground she has dug herself |
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01-19-2010, 05:16 PM | #142 | |
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And I think that unless an author deliberately decides not to go ebook (which isnt what we are talking about with this ratings issue), all we are really talking about here, is people being able to wait, what, a month? before the book is released for kindle. Seriously, are people that self indulged they cannot wait a month? |
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And I'm sorry if they get hurt by the public's attempts to get ebooks sold the way they want to read them. But no author is forced to sign a contract; they choose--and if all the major publishers are demanding control over ebook distribution, authors get to choose between control & publicity. I don't blame them for choosing publicity & the income that goes with it, but I also don't have much sympathy when they get caught by a campaign that doesn't like the way their chosen publisher does business. (And authors who are "devastated" by Amazon 1-star reviews definitely need a thicker skin. Some people leave 1-star reviews on anything their ex-girlfriend liked.) |
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01-19-2010, 05:34 PM | #144 |
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Commercial maybe, and in the US, but this is mainstream every day people reading fiction. I was in a professional meeting yesterday (in Australia) from people all around the country and overseas, and the only other person in the room that new anything much about the kindle (or ebook) other than me, was a consultant from New York. So, as I said, apart from possibly the US, ebooks are simply not as prolific or mainstream yet as people would like to think they are.
Think about it, in cafes etc you see people reading magazines and books, but how many times do you see a kindle or other ebook? (And I dont consider typing on a laptop the same thing) That is an interesting point then. If the rating system is that flawed, why then are people using this as a means to express their anger. Publishers will simply ignore them. |
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We went to the Bahamas for Christmas, and I was amazed at the number of kindles I saw by the pool. Probably 10% of the reading public. Authors/publishers ignore this market at their peril.
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01-19-2010, 05:57 PM | #146 |
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E-books are a growth market. P-books are a shrinking market. Publishers, and the authors who choose them, give us the short end of the stick at their own peril.
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How about this for a solution: stop purchasing books from these spineless authors who allow their creative works to have DRM and geo-restrictions? Seriously, if you're going to sell out as a writer you shouldn't be selling out for pennies in the pound or cents on the dollar, make it worthwhile at least.
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The Kindle is not Amazon's first experiment with selling ebooks; authors whose books are going to sell at Amazon should know the company's history in regards to digital editions. (Or their agents should; that's what agents are for.) OTOH, if ebooks are not that important, then authors shouldn't worry about ebook-related reviews on their books. Quote:
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They're not saying, "we can't afford to sell ebooks at that price! They cost too much to make!" --because that's patently untrue. They're just upset that they won't be able to get hardcover prices for something that has no printing costs, no distribution costs, and no (currently legal) resale ability. |
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Actually, you've just proven me right. Ebooks are not some new phenomena, they've been around for a decade and more, and have steadily increased in importance.
Go away, troll. (Oh, and please identify who your husband is first, so I can blacklist him, ty) |
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I hope anyone taking part in this protest is also giving 1-star reviews to books that don't come out in MMPB at release.
If it's wrong to make people wait 3 months for an ebook, surely it's even more evil to make them wait a year for the paperback? |
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