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I'm honestly baffled by what it is you're complaining about. Amazon made a loss in 2012, and an exceedingly small profit in 2011. Tax is paid on profit, not sales. What is it you're accusing them of not paying, exactly? Last edited by HarryT; 06-28-2013 at 06:22 AM. |
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No, nobody would want Amazon to pay more than the law requires. "We" all would be more than happy if they would pay as much as the law requires. If a company founds a number of sub-companies with the only business to limit the tax burden then this is not covered by the law of France or Germany or whereever they do so.
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(EU law is changing in 2014 to prevent this, BTW.) |
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Amazon have reduced their taxable profit by transferring operations from the US and UK to Luxembourg, which has a much more generous definition of what charges can be applied to reduce profits. The US and UK companies are deliberately run at low to none profit margins so as to reduce the amount of tax paid. So all of the IP has been transferred to Luxembourg, and the other companies pay very large amounts in licensing fees, reducing their taxable profit. Quote:
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That it benefits the customers in this special case is a side effect and not the reason for chosing Luxemburg and you know this damned well, Harry. I think it was pdurrant who once posted here a calculation about Amazon's business numbers and how much they would have to pay if they would pay taxes in the U.K. and how much tax they now pay in Luxemburg. And it is not only the difference that you lose in the U.K.
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The EU law change is not to prevent charging 3%, but to make it so that VAT is charged at the rate of the consumer's country, not the base of operations. |
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What's in the best interest of a company and what is in the best interest of "society" may be two very different things. If you rate Amazon's interests higher than those of the rest, okay, that's your good right.
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No, I certainly don't. But companies have no obligation to benefit society, whereas they do have a duty - a legal requirement, in fact - to maximize the benefit to their shareholders. (That's under UK law. As we've discussed before, I think things may be different in German law.)
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Yes, they are different (although that may make no difference how our companies behave sometimes).
Maybe companies have no obligation to benefit society but they certainly do benefit from society. In the case of Amazon, as they are a "parcel company" they benefit for instance a lot from the transport infrastructure like roads and streets ... that are build and kept by taxes. |
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a) Amazon are using tax loopholes to reduce the amount of tax they are legally required to pay b) Something should be done to prevent those tax loopholes being possible |
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... by an awful lot less that if Amazon weren't able to (legally) divert all of their taxable profits to Luxembourg.
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