<h2 title="xx">

[Karellen]

Hello,

When a chapter heading has a chapter name as well as a chapter number, I normally use something like this. (You can guess what the classes do without the css code)

PHP Code:

  <h3>1<span class="hide"> – The Country of Lost Borders</span></h3>
  <p>*</p>
  <p class="chapterh3">The Country of Lost Borders</p> 


I have seen mention on the forum about using the following...

PHP Code:

<h3 title="1 - The Country of Lost Borders">1</h3> 


But it never seems to work for me. Image shows how I use it.

Could someone tell me where I am going wrong?

Thanks.

[theducks]

Did you regenerate the TOC after making that change?
(it does work for me the last time I did that in Sigil)

[theducks]

Originally Posted by theducks

Did you regenerate the TOC after making that change?
(it does work for me the last time I did that in Sigil)

OK Tried with Calibre 5.99.8 and it does NOT work (tried various generate from options)
Tried with Sigil 1.9.2 (and prior) and it works

I think you found a weak spot

[Karellen]

Originally Posted by theducks

OK Tried with Calibre 5.99.8 and it does NOT work (tried various generate from options)
Tried with Sigil 1.9.2 (and prior) and it works

I think you found a weak spot

Great, thanks @theducks for confirming I am not completely incompetent.

I have been trying to use this on and off for the last few weeks and I couldn't figure out where my mistake was. I thought it was a epub v3.0 function only, but (I think it was) @KevinH confirmed it should work in v2.0 also.

(And yes, I did refresh and regenerate the TOC. Usually I blank it, save/exit the toc editor, then back in and regenerate.)

Hopefully @kovidgoyal might be able to look at the issue.

Thanks again @theducks

[hobnail]

Another Sigil user here. A possible trick that might be useful.

I also use the title= thing.

<h2 title="One - The storm">One <span>The storm</span></h2>

In my CSS I have

h2 span, h1 span {
    display: block;
}

This puts the chapter number on a separate line above the title, or more correctly, the chapter title is on a separate line below the chapter number. I also have additional styling to make the chapter number small caps and the title bold. The table of contents just gets the chapter title, no number.

I think it was turtle91 who shared this trick.

[theducks]

You are welcome.
For now, why not use Sigil's TOC tool? (it only works on H# tags)
(I use both, but prefer some of the options that Calibre offers for odder cases)

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Karellen

Hello,

When a chapter heading has a chapter name as well as a chapter number, I normally use something like this. (You can guess what the classes do without the css code)

PHP Code:

  <h3>1<span class="hide"> – The Country of Lost Borders</span></h3>
  <p>*</p>
  <p class="chapterh3">The Country of Lost Borders</p> 


I have seen mention on the forum about using the following...

PHP Code:

<h3 title="1 - The Country of Lost Borders">1</h3> 


But it never seems to work for me. Image shows how I use it.

Could someone tell me where I am going wrong?

Thanks.

Make the chapter number <h1 and the chapter title <h2 but you have to use classes or define <h1 and <h2 in CSS.

[Karellen]

Originally Posted by hobnail

Another Sigil user here. A possible trick that might be useful.

I also use the title= thing.

<h2 title="One - The storm">One <span>The storm</span></h2>

In my CSS I have

h2 span, h1 span {
    display: block;
}

This puts the chapter number on a separate line above the title, or more correctly, the chapter title is on a separate line below the chapter number. I also have additional styling to make the chapter number small caps and the title bold. The table of contents just gets the chapter title, no number.

I think it was turtle91 who shared this trick.

Thanks @hobnail, I'll give it a try. Am I right in thinking it is another method to achieve the same outcome? So I can either have a css code for "chapterh2" or css code for "h2 span". Its not really saving anything, (but of course I probably don't have a deep enough understanding to see the differences between the two methods).

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Make the chapter number <h1 and the chapter title <h2 but you have to use classes or define <h1 and <h2 in CSS.

h1 and h2 are already in use.
h1 is on the title page (thought I could probably get rid of that)
h2 is used for the parts of the book which are split into days - "Day 1- Contact" and h3 is used for the chapters in "Day 1"

Just to confirm that my issue is with the creation of the TOC which omits the title="" portion of the heading.

[phossler]

I'm not very good with complicated CSS, so I usually try and keep it simple and only use title to have something appear in the TOC

<h1 title="Cover"</h1>

.....


<h1>1 <br/>*"The Country of Lost Borders</h1>

...

so the TOC would have

Cover
1 The Country of Lost Borders
2 The Country of More Lost Borders

etc.

Simple minded, but works for me

[hobnail]

Originally Posted by Karellen

Thanks @hobnail, I'll give it a try. Am I right in thinking it is another method to achieve the same outcome?

The only thing my hack does is allow you to use one h tag, and have two lines, one line the chapter number and one line the chapter title, each with their own styling.

What phossler is doing with a br would also give you two lines but you'd still need to put a span around the part you want styled differently. I don't understand what that asterisk and double quote does. Does it suppress the br so it doesn't show up in the table of contents?

[Karellen]

Originally Posted by hobnail

I don't understand what that asterisk and double quote does.

No, its just a silly typo-o.
By the time I noticed it was already quoted in other posts, so I left it as is.

I meant to write this, and have no clue what sequence of silly blunders added that extra line

PHP Code:

  <h3>1<span class="hide"> – The Country of Lost Borders</span></h3>
  <p class="chapterh3">The Country of Lost Borders</p> 


[kovidgoyal]

https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibr...0c736b898c67f2

[Karellen]

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

https://github.com/kovidgoyal/calibr...0c736b898c67f2

Fantastic. Thank you @kovidgoyal
I'll test and provide feedback once it is released.

[hobnail]

I tested and phossler's trick of using a br in the h1 works. I was wondering if the br would get pulled into the nav.xhtml but with sigil but it does not. Likewise with the span, so that makes sense, it strips out any formatting stuff.

So now I'm wondering why I thought the way I'm doing it was better; I'd still need the span for formatting if I want the chapter title or number formatted different. The thread were I saw this was several years ago so I don't remember the details.

[theducks]

Originally Posted by hobnail

I tested and phossler's trick of using a br in the h1 works. I was wondering if the br would get pulled into the nav.xhtml but with sigil but it does not. Likewise with the span, so that makes sense, it strips out any formatting stuff.

So now I'm wondering why I thought the way I'm doing it was better; I'd still need the span for formatting if I want the chapter title or number formatted different. The thread were I saw this was several years ago so I don't remember the details.

I have been using the <space><br/><span class trick for a long time
The space before the BR is preferred as it does not obviously displace the next line (really a sore thumb when left-justified)
Note:I am not submitting books for publication in other formats, where this trick might bomb ugly