Beta testers for calibre 3.0 needed - Page 35

Terisa de morgan · 06-13-2017, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BetterRed

Does anyone have a rationale for why this Ikea flat pack look has taken hold, my theory is that it's a reactionary response to Windows Aero.

BR

Don't ask me, the first thing I've done with the last tool I've had to use is to change the background to pink

kovidgoyal · 06-13-2017, 09:40 AM

Sigh -- I am really starting to regret opening this can of worms, I'm afraid the shop for taking UI suggestions is now closed. This is what we have and I am not going to spend any more time on it. I really dont have the patience to sort through dozens of conflicting opinions about what goes where and what shade it should be and what words it should use. Life is too short.

mbovenka · 06-13-2017, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by chaley

No idea, and I wish it hadn't. Now one must sweep the mouse hither and yon to find active regions of the screen. For the life of me I can't see why it is better then visually obvious buttons.

And yes, I am an old fart who doesn't like change, especially change that seems to be only for change's sake.

Same here. If it's a button, ^&^& show it as one. But then, I'm an old fart too

BetterRed · 06-13-2017, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by chaley

And yes, I am an old fart who doesn't like change, especially change that seems to be only for change's sake.

to some extent, because I often like change that others abhor, Dylan going electric, MS Office Ribbons.

If I were where you are, I would no doubt welcome the new man in the Élysée; what a contrast between goings on either side of the La Manche. Perhaps it comes Brussels - look Ma, no borders. I will rebrand it as the Schengen borderless look.

BR

Terisa de morgan · 06-13-2017, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

Sigh -- I am really starting to regret opening this can of worms, I'm afraid the shop for taking UI suggestions is now closed. This is what we have and I am not going to spend any more time on it. I really dont have the patience to sort through dozens of conflicting opinions about what goes where and what shade it should be and what words it should use. Life is too short.

Welcome to the UI design world, and user opinions. Thank you for your changes.

DaltonST · 06-13-2017, 11:30 AM

This might be a good time to update the default Preferences > ToolBar and > Look & Feel for brand new, original installs of Calibre for new users who have no clue what a modern Calibre GUI can look like if properly configured. First impressions etc.

kovidgoyal · 06-14-2017, 04:32 AM

@DaltonST: Not sure what settings you are referring to. Can you elaborate?

jony08 · 06-14-2017, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

Sigh -- I am really starting to regret opening this can of worms, I'm afraid the shop for taking UI suggestions is now closed. This is what we have and I am not going to spend any more time on it. I really dont have the patience to sort through dozens of conflicting opinions about what goes where and what shade it should be and what words it should use. Life is too short.

Thank you for making the UI changes, IMO they were much needed. I understand if you need to focus on other important parts of calibre. I also think it would be important to not leave the new UI changes with problems and I hope you can fix the the most important problems that have come up with the new UI changes that were made and leave the other ones. IMO it would be to not use the same settings icon in three places, change the header of the Tag browser to italic and make buttons look like buttons.

Or change back the icons in the status bar and use the old Tag browser look, it was better before with the Alter Tag browser button that was easy to understand.

jhowell · 06-15-2017, 02:17 PM

I am having a problem with the e-book editor in 64-bit version 2.99.13 under Windows 10. The UI becomes non-responsive and "(Not Responding)" appears on the title bar at random points while working. It happens quickly, usually within a minute of usage while editing html. Task manager show no CPU usage while hung. I have waited up to 30 minutes before killing the process.

I had no problems with the editor under previous versions of calibre, but this is the first 2.99 release I have used. I reverted back to version 2.85.1 and have not had the problem since.

I am not sure how to go about diagnosing the cause of this.

Terisa de morgan · 06-15-2017, 03:17 PM

I don't know, jhowell. I've been using the editor with almost all the betas, and no problem at all.

JSWolf · 06-15-2017, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jhowell

I am having a problem with the e-book editor in 64-bit version 2.99.13 under Windows 10. The UI becomes non-responsive and "(Not Responding)" appears on the title bar at random points while working. It happens quickly, usually within a minute of usage while editing html. Task manager show no CPU usage while hung. I have waited up to 30 minutes before killing the process.

I had no problems with the editor under previous versions of calibre, but this is the first 2.99 release I have used. I reverted back to version 2.85.1 and have not had the problem since.

I am not sure how to go about diagnosing the cause of this.

Are you using the 32-bit portable or the 64-bit non-portable? The version can make the difference. I've used the 32-bit portable version and I've not had a problem of Not Responding.

kovidgoyal · 06-15-2017, 11:02 PM

@jhowell: Does it happen with all files or a specific file? Can you install the portable version and try it with default settings?

From your description it sounds like a deadlock. Given that there are no changes in the calibre editor code in the beta comapred to 2.85.1 it would imply something in Qt. Unfortunately, that is particularly hard to diagnose.

The only place the editor code itself uses a lock is for completion. Does the hang happen when a completion popup would normally be triggered? For instance when editing a href attribute?

DNSB · 06-16-2017, 01:10 AM

Hmmm... opened 2.99.13 and got a popup for new version available. Went to the webpage and says 2.85.1 but download is for 3.0.0. I hadn't checked for a few days since I was tied up with Palo Alto's Ignite 2017.

I take it that Calibre 3.0 is now live.

kovidgoyal · 06-16-2017, 01:23 AM

It is

You probably just need to refresh the page in your browser. It shows 3.0.0 for me.

aCIDsLAM · 06-16-2017, 02:34 AM

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@acidslam: This release also has Qt compiled to load opengl dynamically. That *might* allow it to work without the opengl dll, since calibre itself does not use opengl -- it depends on what Qt does about delay loading that dll.[/QUOTE]

That did it. Thank you. Maybe you should rethink the 30 secs timeout. I always run into it, the first time i open the webpage. But for me now, the product is perfect. Thanks!

06-13-2017, 11:30 AM	#516
DaltonST Deviser Posts: 2,265 Karma: 2090983 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Texas Device: none	Default Newly Installed Calibre First Impressions This might be a good time to update the default Preferences > ToolBar and > Look & Feel for brand new, original installs of Calibre for new users who have no clue what a modern Calibre GUI can look like if properly configured. First impressions etc. Last edited by DaltonST; 06-13-2017 at 11:49 AM. Reason: Fixed typo.

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06-13-2017, 09:40 AM	#512
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,857 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	Sigh -- I am really starting to regret opening this can of worms, I'm afraid the shop for taking UI suggestions is now closed. This is what we have and I am not going to spend any more time on it. I really dont have the patience to sort through dozens of conflicting opinions about what goes where and what shade it should be and what words it should use. Life is too short.

06-14-2017, 04:32 AM	#517
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,857 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	@DaltonST: Not sure what settings you are referring to. Can you elaborate?

06-15-2017, 02:17 PM	#519
jhowell Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,496 Karma: 84420419 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Tampa Bay, Florida Device: Kindles	I am having a problem with the e-book editor in 64-bit version 2.99.13 under Windows 10. The UI becomes non-responsive and "(Not Responding)" appears on the title bar at random points while working. It happens quickly, usually within a minute of usage while editing html. Task manager show no CPU usage while hung. I have waited up to 30 minutes before killing the process. I had no problems with the editor under previous versions of calibre, but this is the first 2.99 release I have used. I reverted back to version 2.85.1 and have not had the problem since. I am not sure how to go about diagnosing the cause of this.

06-15-2017, 03:17 PM	#520
Terisa de morgan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,233 Karma: 11768331 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Device: Kobo Clara/Aura One/Forma,XiaoMI 5, iPad, Huawei MediaPad, YotaPhone 2	I don't know, jhowell. I've been using the editor with almost all the betas, and no problem at all.

06-15-2017, 11:02 PM	#522
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,857 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	@jhowell: Does it happen with all files or a specific file? Can you install the portable version and try it with default settings? From your description it sounds like a deadlock. Given that there are no changes in the calibre editor code in the beta comapred to 2.85.1 it would imply something in Qt. Unfortunately, that is particularly hard to diagnose. The only place the editor code itself uses a lock is for completion. Does the hang happen when a completion popup would normally be triggered? For instance when editing a href attribute?

06-16-2017, 01:10 AM	#523
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 35,400 Karma: 145435140 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Forma, Clara HD, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	Hmmm... opened 2.99.13 and got a popup for new version available. Went to the webpage and says 2.85.1 but download is for 3.0.0. I hadn't checked for a few days since I was tied up with Palo Alto's Ignite 2017. I take it that Calibre 3.0 is now live.

06-16-2017, 01:23 AM	#524
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,857 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	It is You probably just need to refresh the page in your browser. It shows 3.0.0 for me.

06-16-2017, 02:34 AM	#525
aCIDsLAM Enthusiast Posts: 28 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2016 Device: Xiaomi MI Pad 1, LineageOS14.1	[QUOTE= @acidslam: This release also has Qt compiled to load opengl dynamically. That might allow it to work without the opengl dll, since calibre itself does not use opengl -- it depends on what Qt does about delay loading that dll.[/QUOTE] That did it. Thank you. Maybe you should rethink the 30 secs timeout. I always run into it, the first time i open the webpage. But for me now, the product is perfect. Thanks!

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