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Old 06-28-2012, 11:20 AM   #46
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I can't remember the last time windows crashed, the kindle fire crashes ever week thanks to android.
Thanks to Android or thanks to Amazon's interface/launcher or thanks to some specific app causing problems?

My Transformer never crashes nor does my Nook Tab. Come to that, my aunt has a Fire and she's never had an issue either.
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The KF is getting Jelly Bean from the same developers who gave us ICS, just as soon as the source comes out, it's been said.
Getting Jelly Bean would be interesting, but it doesn't make the Fire a very good Android Tablet. To me the biggest issue with the Fire, and the reason I returned mine even after installing ICS, is the lack of sensors. Without a GPS none of the location based apps and services work correctly, and that is a huge part of Android. The fact that the Nexus 7 has a GPS gives it a significant advantage over the Fire, in my eyes. Add to that a Microphone and a front facing camera which makes Skype and other tools viable and it is a much more useful Tablet. Of course it will still run the Kindle App, so you get most of the Fire's functionality, minus the assess to Amazon's Video, which I have used maybe twice in my years of Prime membership.

For me the Nexus 7 is a better solution, if I needed another tablet, which I don't. For people who use Amazon Video and don't need location services then the Fire may be a better solution.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:40 AM   #48
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Thanks to Android or thanks to Amazon's interface/launcher or thanks to some specific app causing problems?

My Transformer never crashes nor does my Nook Tab. Come to that, my aunt has a Fire and she's never had an issue either.
I've have replied sooner, but my Windows desktop just blue screened again, and my Windows laptop is in the middle of a long Startup repair operation because it crashed too many times yesterday....now, what were we talking about...oh yeah...
Nope, my Fire has never crashed, nor has my wife's new Android smartphone, though it's only been running (24x7) for a few weeks now.

Certainly Some third party apps we've tried have forced stopped now and then. That situation has always been resolved by clicking "OK" and going about our business with no further problem.


I suspect hn333 is a dev on MS systems (as I am) who is dryly joking with us. I don't think anyone can be so completely wrong about such an obvious matter.
Next he'll tell us that Windows Phone 7 has "won" the handset battle.
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Old 06-28-2012, 11:48 AM   #49
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Getting Jelly Bean would be interesting, but it doesn't make the Fire a very good Android Tablet. To me the biggest issue with the Fire, and the reason I returned mine even after installing ICS, is the lack of sensors. Without a GPS none of the location based apps and services work correctly, and that is a huge part of Android. The fact that the Nexus 7 has a GPS gives it a significant advantage over the Fire, in my eyes. Add to that a Microphone and a front facing camera which makes Skype and other tools viable and it is a much more useful Tablet. Of course it will still run the Kindle App, so you get most of the Fire's functionality, minus the assess to Amazon's Video, which I have used maybe twice in my years of Prime membership.

For me the Nexus 7 is a better solution, if I needed another tablet, which I don't. For people who use Amazon Video and don't need location services then the Fire may be a better solution.
Doesn't Google wifi-based geolocation work on the Fire with the alternate ROMs? If so, that would be adequate enough for a wifi-only device. If it doesn't work...why the heck doesn't it?

Still, the the Nexus 7 looks nice, and especially on if Amazon comes out with it's rumored comparable 'Fire 2' next month, we are clearing reaching the sweet spot of fully-equipped 7" tablet pricing, and I suspect we'll have more choices or even lower prices before the holidays.
I would consider something like the Nexus 7 (or Amazon's answer to it) for my mom, if we don't get her a smartphone.

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Doesn't Google wifi-based geolocation work on the Fire with the alternate ROMs? If so, that would be adequate enough for a wifi-only device. If it doesn't work...why the heck doesn't it?


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It may well work, I honestly don't remember, but on other devices I've seen the "uncertainty circle" cover large chunks of three states, so it's not really a solid substitute for a real GPS sensor
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I've never had an issue with Windows for the last 20 years I've used it... And I've never had issues with my KF considering I go back and forth between ROMs and stock.
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I've never had an issue with Windows for the last 20 years I've used it...
Then you have been extremely lucky

I've had my fair share of issues across various versions, some of which required a re-install and some of which were bad enough to require a wipe and start clean. That said, given the number of different processor and hardware combinations that Windows supports, I've always been amazed that it runs at all. Microsoft do a great job with that. My Apple devices have been less troublesome, although not trouble free, but given the more tightly defined hardware they support, they have an easier job to do.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:47 PM   #53
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Of course it will still run the Kindle App, so you get most of the Fire's functionality, minus the assess to Amazon's Video, which I have used maybe twice in my years of Prime membership.
Just thought I'd mention that you can watch Amazon instant videos on some tablets other than the Kindle Fire. My 7" Acer Iconia A100 running Android Honeycomb 3.2 works great with Amazon instant videos. I can't download them to the device, but they stream just fine using the browser.

My 10.1" Acer Iconia A500 also streamed Amazon videos perfectly—until the tablet updated to Ice Cream Sandwich. Now, the Amazon videos are choppy and out of sync in ICS. From what I've learned, that has more to do with Adobe Flash's lack of support for ICS and certain video profiles than anything else (more on that here). Adobe has stated that they are no longer supporting Android versions of Flash, so I'm not sure if Amazon videos will work properly with Jelly Bean either.
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Since this thread is in the Kindle Fire section of Mobileread, I thought some may be interested in Android Central's comparison of the Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire: Google Nexus 7 or Amazon Kindle Fire?
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Note that Adobe will not be delivering Flash Player for Android 4.1. So Nexus 7 will not be able to consume Amazon Instant Video (which already does not work very well on my Xoom, running 4.0.2). At least until Amazon delivers a video app for Android.
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That's actually a positive thing. I have ordered a Nexus 7 and it will not have any Flash code on it.
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That's actually a positive thing. I have ordered a Nexus 7 and it will not have any Flash code on it.
Agreed. Given Adobe has abandoned Flash for mobile, hopefully Amazon will move to HTML5 that will work across platforms
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My KF works exceptionally well for what it was designed to be which is an ereader. I have had zero problems when I use it for that purpose. It also serves me quite well as a light duty email, crm and meeting tablet. The lack of a camera is no big deal since I have everything tied to my Evernote account. There are a few "Waiting Room" games like WWF and Bejeweled that are perfect as well.
For GPS functionality I have tried several apps with limited success. I can use one or two apps using my iphones hotspot feature that work ok, just a bit cludgy. Since the KF was not designed for this purpose I do not hold it against Amazon. It does however put the GPS "Turn by Turn" on my list of "Must haves" when the next generation comes to market.
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My KF works exceptionally well for what it was designed to be which is an ereader.
I think you're mistaken about what it was designed to be. Look carefully at Amazon's Fire site and you'll notice reading and books is never the first feature they tout about the Fire.
It was designed to be an Amazon media consumption tablet, and eBooks are just one of the media types you can consume with it.
I'm glad you're happy with it.
I'm happy with mine, too, but I wouldn't want it as my main ereader. I have a 'real' Kindle for that.

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True but they left it "open "enough so that we are not locked in to Amazons ecosystem (unlike Apple)
I Dont use Amazons Content at all.
99 percent of my apps are sideloaded Android
Apps/ games.
I use a third party Comic reader
for my massive.CBR collection so I Dont use/need comixology.

I use Firefox Mobile instead of silk

Go launcher EX + Wall changer
and with moboplayer I can toss Any video format want on the KF from .FLV to Mkv
and I use ALKIDO pro &Cool reader for my Caliber converted novels.

its good to see more choices in the 7 inch form factor like the nexus 7 etc.
But I am very happy with my choice of the Fire.
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