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While it is true that there is a lot of bad writing out there, there does seem to be a special level of bad sex scenes. I don't know if they just stick out more to me, or if I don't know enough about combat, dancing, or whatever to see the same level of problems that I often do in sex scenes.
But, I'm thinking it's probably something to do with sex scenes. After all, how many of us can think of wince inducing euphemisms in a fight scene? Brandon kicked Jack squarely in the manhood. Ummm... no. Or how about a fight scene where the tension builds and builds and then the author suddenly decides to get coy about what is actually happening? I don't think so. There really is a special level of bad writing reserved for sex scenes. Last edited by Keryl Raist; 11-02-2011 at 04:24 PM. Reason: added extra thought. |
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Or maybe editors and publishers have unreasonable demands and make it more difficult than it needs to be? |
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When I wrote my scenes, I made sure I wrote them the way I'd write any other scene: The same style, the same elements used to prompt an emotional investment in the scene, and no euphemisms... because I don't write that way. So the scenes do not seem like the work of someone else shoehorned into my story. If you can't do that... you shouldn't be writing the scene, IMO. I think that's a big part of it, too: If the writer isn't concerned about appearances, the editors and publishers are, and they force the issue. That's why I like writing for myself... no one looking over my shoulder that I have to satisfy. Last edited by Steven Lyle Jordan; 11-03-2011 at 10:17 AM. |
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To put it succinctly, the only thing that throbs in my book is a broken arm. There are no manhoods, elfhoods, or whatever other god-awful terms get used to avoid calling a penis a penis. I do know that certain publishers (Harlequin springs to mind) require certain words be used, certain words not be used, and certain numbers of encounters occur, and so on and so forth. That level of constraint would have driven me bonkers. |
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Well, that explains some of the worst sex scenes I've read.
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11-06-2011, 09:32 AM | #69 |
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That's not so different from writing episodic television, really. Not every writer can work within those limits, but those who can have the advantage of being able to produce on a schedule (and earn a regular paycheck).
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As far as sex in my non-erotic works, sex plays an important role in my work, but I almost never write sex scenes, largely because I don't trust my ability to write them well. But more importantly, I write comedies, and I find writing around sex scenes (finding ways to tell you what happened without actually saying what happened) to be both funnier and more fun to write. |
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Can we assume there are sex scenes in your erotic title? If so, I'd say its sales success is enough of an indication that you can write sex scenes. |
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Thanks for the rewrite, Steve. Just downloaded from your site. I'm one of those who read Lambs Hide, Tigers Seek and never peeped. While it was enjoyable, there were some scenes that didn't quite click. I thought "these characters don't seem very believable in this scene" or, based on what I knew about a character, "why would they do that? Where did that action (or dialogue) come from?"
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It's written to appeal to a specific fetish, which I could depict without including actual sex. Plus, it's a comic book, so even if it had, I wouldn't have had to actually write them if I had needed them, just depict them. Here's a question: Where is the dividing line between erotica and porn? KDP's term's of service forbids porn, but they allow erotica. They allowed the title above to be published, but a similar title that was slightly more explicit was blocked. I'm just not sure where the limits are. |
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We could answer that in general, but that really does not matter for the specific case of KDP because it is where THEY put the line. In my experience ever store defines that line differently. IMO in Erotica the point is the story and the sex/etc is a way of telling it. In porn the point is the sex, and the story is there as a lame excuse but I do not read either so that might not be a valid line. |
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