New version of DRM removal tools ("DeDRM")

[j.p.s]

That should undercut any excuse for continued application of DRM to KFX versions of "publisher requested no DRM" books.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by j.p.s

That should undercut any excuse for continued application of DRM to KFX versions of "publisher requested no DRM" books.

Yes, they can't have it both ways.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by ratinox

Legally, no. DRM -- digital rights management -- has a specific legal meaning and specific laws based on that legal definition. An obfuscated, proprietary file/container format does not meet the criteria for DRM. You could easily make a case for such a thing like KFX being anti-competitive and monopolistic but these issues are entirely separate from DRM issues.

That's what Amazon's lawyers would argue. But if it walks and quacks like a duck? Also see comment about "personal documents".

Why no easy to use local converter from pdf/doc/docx/mobi/epub/azw3 to KFX on Mac/iOS/Android/Windows/Linux?
Why do you have to send pdocs to Amazon? Can we have a 3rd party audit of what they do with those user docs which might private, copyright, secret or whatever?

You can even run local copies of an LLM.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by Quoth

Yes, they can't have it both ways.

False advertising at least.

[ApK]

Originally Posted by Quoth

Why do you have to send pdocs to Amazon? Can we have a 3rd party audit of what they do with those user docs which might private, copyright, secret or whatever?

Don't send anything to any cloud system if you don't want the owners of the cloud seeing it. That just general privacy advice...IOW, if you want to keep something private, don't send it to other people. Especially people on the Internet. In this case, I'd convert with Calibre and side-load via USB cable.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by ApK

Don't send anything to any cloud system if you don't want the owners of the cloud seeing it. That just general privacy advice...IOW, if you want to keep something private, don't send it to other people. Especially people on the Internet. In this case, I'd convert with Calibre and side-load via USB cable.

That's what I do. Fortunately I don't need KFX. Calibre doesn't convert it. The plug-in uses an Amazon program unavailable on most OSes. I read everything as epub or PDF, with epub preferred.

[ratinox]

Originally Posted by Quoth

That's what Amazon's lawyers would argue. But if it walks and quacks like a duck? Also see comment about "personal documents".

I think you're conflating DRM with copy protection. All DRM is copy protection, but not all copy protection is DRM.

Why no easy to use local converter from pdf/doc/docx/mobi/epub/azw3 to KFX on Mac/iOS/Android/Windows/Linux?

To stifle competition. The way they want us to see it, you didn't buy that Kindle reader, you bought a license to use it. Similarly, you didn't buy those books, you bought licenses to read them on Amazon-approved devices and software. Having an onerous, proprietary tool to let us make our own KFX files lets them get away with locking out competition without appearing to be a monopoly: "We're not locking out customers. See? They can convert anything they want to read on their Kindle."

(see what I did there?)

[rantanplan]

Originally Posted by ratinox

To stifle competition. The way they want us to see it, you didn't buy that Kindle reader, you bought a license to use it. Similarly, you didn't buy those books, you bought licenses to read them on Amazon-approved devices and software. Having an onerous, proprietary tool to let us make our own KFX files lets them get away with locking out competition without appearing to be a monopoly: "We're not locking out customers. See? They can convert anything they want to read on their Kindle."

(see what I did there?)

And it seems to be that the market is just too small for the EU legislators to care :-/