Readers go haywire when new?

susaz · 11-10-2013, 02:57 PM

Every time I have a new reader and download more than a hundred books on it, it starts acting up. Happened to me yesterday with the Kobo glo, I converted my epubs into Kepubs and loaded them into respective shelves in the same operation. My library is very large, 1200 sideloaded and bought books. It started freezing and resetting itself. But this also happened with every single reader I've had. My sideloaded books come from a reliable source, beautifully formatted and exquisitely laid out, with gorgeous covers and indexes. I try to do it in 100 books chunks, softly, so it can process it. But inevitably, the first days all of my readers will freeze, reboot, lose settings, so forth.
At first I thought it was the Grammata Papyre 6.2 only... But so happened with the three that came after, the Sony, Nook and Kobo.
After a while it settles, and if by any chance I have to rebuild the library again, the acting up won't be as hard.
I wonder if anybody has experienced something of the sort...

Dr. Drib · 11-10-2013, 04:31 PM

Reading 100 books a year - forget about putting additional books on your device, thus possibly increasing the amount - would still take you 12 years to read those 1200 titles.

Why would you want to have 12 years worth of reading on your device?

Or, to take this in another direction: Why would you ONLY want 12 years worth of reading? Why not go for 30 or 40 years?

To attempt to answer your question: Putting such large numbers on your Reader (100 books or more at a whack) means that the Reader needs to index all that stuff. Plug it in for 3 or 4 days and let it create an index, and just forget about it until then.

Don

susaz · 11-10-2013, 04:34 PM

I've read most of the books I have, I'm 50 or so books behind. Thing is, I do it as a way to backup my books. I know, it's a lot, but many I go back every once in a while.

Dr. Drib · 11-10-2013, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by susaz

I've read most of the books I have, I'm 50 or so books behind. Thing is, I do it as a way to backup my books. I know, it's a lot, but many I go back every once in a while.

You need to start using a book manager.

You should try using calibre to manage your books. Mark the ones you've read using calibre and get it off that reader.

Calibre will maintain your library, manage your collection, and sometimes it'll make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

Don

susan_cassidy · 11-10-2013, 05:15 PM

100 books at a time would be too much for a Kindle. It has to index all the books. More like 20 at a time would be better. Much faster in the long run, too. 100 books would kind of "constipate" the Kindle.

susaz · 11-10-2013, 05:28 PM

I think that is what's going on... As if it didn't like the books to be kepub, it all started when converting the books and installing a plugin to Calibre to send only Kepubs to the device. I'll run it again, this time in a more sedated pace...

speakingtohe · 11-10-2013, 06:35 PM

I've put as many as 4000 books on a reader at one time. To prevent freeze ups I usually eject and disconnect my reader, reconnect it again without connecting it as a USB device and let it sit there for an hour or two. Seems to work but could be supposition and superstition on my part.

I like having a good selection on my reader and as capacity is often listed as a selling point I assume I am not alone. I may not read them all, especially as many are reference book and cookbooks and quite a few are books for my mother to read when she comes to visit for a few days and has left her reader behind. I don't feel that using say 2 gig out of out of 32 gig is a practice to be berated. There are people in this world who have several thousand paper books in their houses.

Helen

bgalbrecht · 11-10-2013, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

Reading 100 books a year - forget about putting additional books on your device, thus possibly increasing the amount - would still take you 12 years to read those 1200 titles.

Why would you want to have 12 years worth of reading on your device?

When you put it that way, I ought to stop buying ebooks because I'll never finish the ones I have.

meeera · 11-10-2013, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

You need to start using a book manager.

You should try using calibre to manage your books. Mark the ones you've read using calibre and get it off that reader.

... and then sync your Calibre library with Dropbox, and you're off and racing with both offsite backup and ready availability from your reader.

pidgeon92 · 11-10-2013, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgalbrecht

When you put it that way, I ought to stop buying ebooks because I'll never finish the ones I have.

It's what I'm trying to do... I have about 600 on my to-be-read list. I've gotten very picky about what I buy in the last several months.

DrNefario · 11-11-2013, 08:41 AM

I don't really see why we shouldn't have our entire collections on our devices. If it doesn't work it's bad software design.

I have all my unread Kindle books, over 500, on my Kindle. It's fine, except for the time it takes to page through them all. (I have all my unread Kobo books on my Kobo, too, but in that case it's about 4.

)

Dr. Drib · 11-11-2013, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgalbrecht

When you put it that way, I ought to stop buying ebooks because I'll never finish the ones I have.

If you want to collect the books and not read them, then that might be a viable choice for you. It would ultimately be your decision, of course.

Don

Atunah · 11-11-2013, 12:17 PM

I have about 500-600 books on my kindle right now, unread and purchased from Amazon. I also have about 200 samples and magazines. Total of 800 items. I don't keep read items on my device. But I didn't load all of them at once, they get loaded as I buy them now. Now I did start with a batch when I got my PW1, but I did it in chunks of like 30.

I have had no issues with freezing or anything else really. When I first got my PW1, coming from a K3, I had planned not to send all my purchased not yet read books to my new kindle. I tried to keep it low.
But then I just kept buying books.

Then I figured what the heck, I'll just put on everything I bought and not yet read on it again.
And here we are.

I have 658 MB free still. My numbers might go the other way, if I could just stop buying more books than I can read. But what would be the fun in that.

I will read them all eventually, I read 100's of books a year so its not really that bad. I buy when I get a bargain, so I really am saving money. Really.

Anthem · 11-11-2013, 09:31 PM

While others keep ludicrous amounts of books on their devices I am in the middle. I feel no need whatsoever to keep my entire library on any of my devices. There is quite literally no reason that I can think of to keep my entire library of books on me. 'Specially when Amazon has that nifty cloud thing they keep a 'talkin' about.

But as backup, I understand. However, if you want mere backup of the files, perhaps just copy all of your books, or the directory that all of the books are stored in to a USB drive. And then a cloud service such as Google Drive. Local backups combined with network backups provides for a fair amount of redundancy.

danskmacabre · 11-11-2013, 11:54 PM

I have about 300 books on my Kobo glo and it handles it just fine.
The reason I have so many is I travel a fair bit and like to reread books, many of which are part of a series.

Also, sometimes I like to reread just certain parts of a book or check something for reference.

It was one of the big selling points of getting an ereader for me that I could store lots of books on it.

11-10-2013, 02:57 PM	#1
susaz Zealot Posts: 149 Karma: 664784 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Buenos Aires Argentina Device: Nook Color, Grammata Papyre 6.2, Sony PRS T1, Nook ST Glow,Kobo Glo	Readers go haywire when new? Every time I have a new reader and download more than a hundred books on it, it starts acting up. Happened to me yesterday with the Kobo glo, I converted my epubs into Kepubs and loaded them into respective shelves in the same operation. My library is very large, 1200 sideloaded and bought books. It started freezing and resetting itself. But this also happened with every single reader I've had. My sideloaded books come from a reliable source, beautifully formatted and exquisitely laid out, with gorgeous covers and indexes. I try to do it in 100 books chunks, softly, so it can process it. But inevitably, the first days all of my readers will freeze, reboot, lose settings, so forth. At first I thought it was the Grammata Papyre 6.2 only... But so happened with the three that came after, the Sony, Nook and Kobo. After a while it settles, and if by any chance I have to rebuild the library again, the acting up won't be as hard. I wonder if anybody has experienced something of the sort...

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11-10-2013, 04:31 PM	#2
Dr. Drib Grand Sorcerer Posts: 44,736 Karma: 55645321 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Peru Device: Kindle: Oasis 3, Voyage WiFi; Kobo: Libra 2, Aura One	Reading 100 books a year - forget about putting additional books on your device, thus possibly increasing the amount - would still take you 12 years to read those 1200 titles. Why would you want to have 12 years worth of reading on your device? Or, to take this in another direction: Why would you ONLY want 12 years worth of reading? Why not go for 30 or 40 years? To attempt to answer your question: Putting such large numbers on your Reader (100 books or more at a whack) means that the Reader needs to index all that stuff. Plug it in for 3 or 4 days and let it create an index, and just forget about it until then. Don

11-10-2013, 04:34 PM	#3
susaz Zealot Posts: 149 Karma: 664784 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Buenos Aires Argentina Device: Nook Color, Grammata Papyre 6.2, Sony PRS T1, Nook ST Glow,Kobo Glo	I've read most of the books I have, I'm 50 or so books behind. Thing is, I do it as a way to backup my books. I know, it's a lot, but many I go back every once in a while.

11-10-2013, 05:15 PM	#5
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	100 books at a time would be too much for a Kindle. It has to index all the books. More like 20 at a time would be better. Much faster in the long run, too. 100 books would kind of "constipate" the Kindle.

11-10-2013, 05:28 PM	#6
susaz Zealot Posts: 149 Karma: 664784 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Buenos Aires Argentina Device: Nook Color, Grammata Papyre 6.2, Sony PRS T1, Nook ST Glow,Kobo Glo	I think that is what's going on... As if it didn't like the books to be kepub, it all started when converting the books and installing a plugin to Calibre to send only Kepubs to the device. I'll run it again, this time in a more sedated pace...

11-10-2013, 06:35 PM	#7
speakingtohe Wizard Posts: 4,812 Karma: 26912940 Join Date: Apr 2010 Device: sony PRS-T1 and T3, Kobo Mini and Aura HD, Tablet	I've put as many as 4000 books on a reader at one time. To prevent freeze ups I usually eject and disconnect my reader, reconnect it again without connecting it as a USB device and let it sit there for an hour or two. Seems to work but could be supposition and superstition on my part. I like having a good selection on my reader and as capacity is often listed as a selling point I assume I am not alone. I may not read them all, especially as many are reference book and cookbooks and quite a few are books for my mother to read when she comes to visit for a few days and has left her reader behind. I don't feel that using say 2 gig out of out of 32 gig is a practice to be berated. There are people in this world who have several thousand paper books in their houses. Helen

11-11-2013, 08:41 AM	#11
DrNefario Wizard Posts: 2,099 Karma: 11315768 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: UK Device: Kindle, Kobo Touch, Nook SimpleTouch	I don't really see why we shouldn't have our entire collections on our devices. If it doesn't work it's bad software design. I have all my unread Kindle books, over 500, on my Kindle. It's fine, except for the time it takes to page through them all. (I have all my unread Kobo books on my Kobo, too, but in that case it's about 4. )

11-11-2013, 12:17 PM	#13
Atunah Wizard Posts: 1,817 Karma: 23400001 Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA Device: K1/K3/BasicK Voyage/Oasis1/Oasis3	I have about 500-600 books on my kindle right now, unread and purchased from Amazon. I also have about 200 samples and magazines. Total of 800 items. I don't keep read items on my device. But I didn't load all of them at once, they get loaded as I buy them now. Now I did start with a batch when I got my PW1, but I did it in chunks of like 30. I have had no issues with freezing or anything else really. When I first got my PW1, coming from a K3, I had planned not to send all my purchased not yet read books to my new kindle. I tried to keep it low. But then I just kept buying books. Then I figured what the heck, I'll just put on everything I bought and not yet read on it again. And here we are. I have 658 MB free still. My numbers might go the other way, if I could just stop buying more books than I can read. But what would be the fun in that. I will read them all eventually, I read 100's of books a year so its not really that bad. I buy when I get a bargain, so I really am saving money. Really.

11-11-2013, 09:31 PM	#14
Anthem Guru Posts: 704 Karma: 1622328 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: USA Device: Kindle Oasis, OnePlus Nord	While others keep ludicrous amounts of books on their devices I am in the middle. I feel no need whatsoever to keep my entire library on any of my devices. There is quite literally no reason that I can think of to keep my entire library of books on me. 'Specially when Amazon has that nifty cloud thing they keep a 'talkin' about. But as backup, I understand. However, if you want mere backup of the files, perhaps just copy all of your books, or the directory that all of the books are stored in to a USB drive. And then a cloud service such as Google Drive. Local backups combined with network backups provides for a fair amount of redundancy.

11-11-2013, 11:54 PM	#15
danskmacabre Guru Posts: 733 Karma: 3593438 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Glo. Galaxy Tab S 8.4	I have about 300 books on my Kobo glo and it handles it just fine. The reason I have so many is I travel a fair bit and like to reread books, many of which are part of a series. Also, sometimes I like to reread just certain parts of a book or check something for reference. It was one of the big selling points of getting an ereader for me that I could store lots of books on it.

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