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08-11-2019, 11:01 PM | #16 |
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There are a huge number of sf short stories and even novels on Gutenberg (USA) which went out of copyright because the author failed to renew the copyrights under the USA's old 28 years plus renewal system.
Many writers of that era didn't expect that their stories would ever be published again, didn't understand copyright law, and let their stuff lapse. Randall Garrett is one such writer. The exact opposite is Asimov, very organised, who seems to have let only one story lapse, "Youth", which is on Project Gutenberg USA. This is also true of novels, the vast majority of which sold out their initial print runs (if they were lucky!), saw no second edition, and were never heard of again. If it takes five or six years to sell a 1,500 copy print run, the author and publisher wouldn't have been the slightest interested in renewal many years later. I sometimes think that the 28 years plus renewal system of the USA was the best of the bunch. Of course, these stories are only PD in USA. |
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In the UK, "Copyright in the typographical arrangement of a published edition expires at the end of the period of 25 years from the end of the calendar year in which the edition was first published. " |
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08-12-2019, 08:30 AM | #18 |
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I would be happy with that system. I would even be fine with a tiered approach that allows those rare works that continue to have significant commercial value 56 years later to extend that copyright. I suspect that having an official copyright database, rather than automatic copyright, and a requirement to renew every 10 years would clear up a lot of the mess. I would trade that for a longer copyright period for those rare works that still have significant commercial value 50 years after publishing. Add in a requirement that all copyright works much be submitted in an approved electronic format and I would consider that a huge improvement over what we currently have.
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Stanford's "Copyright Renewal Database" has been around for many many years now. You're able to search to see if a book was renewed using this URL: https://exhibits.stanford.edu/copyri...s?forward=home You're even able to download the raw CSV info as well. Here's what they've had to say about copyright renewals from that period: Quote:
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08-16-2019, 08:15 PM | #22 | |
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I think the real issue for me is whether the book being in the public domain means that I can read the eBook for free. Without that, it's a meaningless legal concept. The Patricia Clark Library here seems to have maybe 26,000 titles. The U.S. Project Gutenberg has 39,000 titles, a large portion the same as here, probably with different proofreading. That's only the tiniest percent of the millions (tens of millions?) of public domain books. Another point of comparison is the 132,943 eBooks in the, I believe, mostly copyrighted Brooklyn Public Library Overdrive collections. 117,504 are available for Kindle and 127,534 as eEPUB. Plus Brooklyn has many thousands more in other collections like the Cloud Library. And despite all the cost for a library to lease an encrypted ePUB, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Singapore, and I'm sure other places, have more distinct titles than Brooklyn. So -- having a vast new number of identified public domain books doesn't really give a mechanism for them getting more than a tiniest sliver to us in a legitimate way, regardless of whether someone was selling the proofread scans despite to the book being recognized as public domain. Maybe some day there will be a more reliable character recognition method to convert a PDF graphic into ePUB and mobi files. A majority of the books that I'd want to read, among those in the 1924-63 public domain cache, are probably sitting at openlibrary.org, where there are both PDF and ePUB files typically having truly vast numbers of distracting (and even indecipherable) scan errors. P.S. Part of the answer is to volunteer at Distributed Proofreaders, which I have done a little. It is hard work! Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 08-16-2019 at 08:19 PM. |
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09-23-2019, 01:16 PM | #23 |
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So, I guess no one has used this database to turn up any diamonds in the rough.
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09-23-2019, 04:56 PM | #24 |
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I did get a big laugh at an old science fiction story being sold on Amazon, and the first review was from the author. The author's review of his own story was that he thought so little of it he didnt bother to renew the copyright, so please dont buy it, he wouldnt want you to think it was typical of his work. Yet he could do nothing about other people promoting and selling it.
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09-25-2019, 12:26 AM | #25 |
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For books, the standard has always been that the text itself is either public domain or copyright, and the response to that has been to add forewords, introductions and so forth when doing new editions.
If you stripped the formatting and non-essential markup and remade the ebook you should be in the clear (but this not legal advice, and I am not your lawyer, just a layman's understanding of copyright). |
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Last time I looked at Project Gutenberg, they required that you use a printing of the book that was old enough to satisfy the copyright restrictions. Newer printings might have subtle changes in the text that would still be under copyright. So, stripping out the introduction and such might not be enough to produce a legal copy.
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And plagiarism isn't illegal either. Your COLLEGE might levy punishments for breaking THEIR "anti-plagiarism" rules....but it's not a law for general society. Politicians get dinged for plagiarism all the time....but it's a criticism not a crime. |
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Authors (and reporters) get professionally dinged for plagiarism. Not all violations of laws are crimes, some are civil. In fact, some copyright infringement is civil, not criminal. |
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