Moving on from SunriseXP, Palm OS

sanjosanjo · 10-24-2008, 12:00 AM

Hello all. I've been a long time user of SunriseXP to grab webpages and then subsequently reading them on my Palm Tungsten T3 with the plucker viewer program. I am eternally grateful to Laurens for all his work on Sunrise to allow me to do that.

But now it's time to upgrade. I bought an iPod touch (2nd generation) and I'm sorely missing the capability that I had with with my Palm. For a couple weeks I've been trying to find a program to read my Sunrise documents, to no avail. Can anybody recommend a pair of equivalent programs that would 1) pull pages from the web and 2) allow me to view them on an iPod touch?

I found a couple ebook readers for the iPod touch (such as Stanza and eReader), but they don't seem applicable for reading offline websites with hyperlinks. They seem more geared toward reading a single batch of text.

Any suggestions?

Gaurnim · 10-24-2008, 10:48 AM

As this part of the forum is an archive, maybe you would be more successful by posting it elsewhere (or by asking a moderator to move it), for instance in E-Book Software > Reading Software, and mentioning Plucker as well as Sunrise.

As for a beginning of reply, maybe Calibre would allow you to retrieve the web pages and output them in a format you could reach on your device.

wallcraft · 10-24-2008, 12:57 PM

In the Plucker source code there is a program called “explode”. When you run it on a Plucker ebook, it “explodes” the book into HTML and images. This isn't easy to get for Windows, but it may be part of a Plucker viewer for Windows (that is also hard to get). The links to binaries no longer works, but see Plucker -> Reader.

It seems a bit strange to use Sunrise to "pluck" web pages and then explode the result to recreate HTML, however this isn't the original HTML but a simplified Plucker variant. If you can get this to work, then Calibre can convert to ePub for Stanza, or perhaps the plucker HTML (if it is a single file - I'm not sure if it is or not) will be readable directly by Stanza. If someone has a Python version of plucker's explode then plucker could probably easily be added to Calibre's any2epub.

kovidgoyal · 10-24-2008, 01:45 PM

look at the bookit firefox extension. It can produce LRF or EPUB from websites (using calibre as the backend)

Laurens · 11-05-2008, 02:46 PM

Not that this is going to help you for now, but I'm currently designing a prototype for a new framework for creating your own, custom newspaper by aggregating news from multiple sources. The focus lies more on applying "collective intelligence" algorithms, rather than follow rigid RSS- or web site-based structure of the previous applications. We'll have to see how things work out, though, since I'm not even sure if such a goal is actually feasible, given time constraints. Like you, I'm sorely missing my daily dose of news. (Don't have a working Palm device anymore.)

The output format will be fully decoupled from the actual aggregation process. My primary interest lies in supporting ePub, but it should be possible to hook up any output format.

kovidgoyal · 11-05-2008, 03:13 PM

What data would the "collective intelligence" algorithms use to decide which articles to include?

Laurens · 11-06-2008, 04:27 AM

Text analysis. Extracting normalized terms from news items and then classifying items by similar terms.

10-24-2008, 12:00 AM	#1
sanjosanjo Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Device: Tungsten T3	Moving on from SunriseXP, Palm OS Hello all. I've been a long time user of SunriseXP to grab webpages and then subsequently reading them on my Palm Tungsten T3 with the plucker viewer program. I am eternally grateful to Laurens for all his work on Sunrise to allow me to do that. But now it's time to upgrade. I bought an iPod touch (2nd generation) and I'm sorely missing the capability that I had with with my Palm. For a couple weeks I've been trying to find a program to read my Sunrise documents, to no avail. Can anybody recommend a pair of equivalent programs that would 1) pull pages from the web and 2) allow me to view them on an iPod touch? I found a couple ebook readers for the iPod touch (such as Stanza and eReader), but they don't seem applicable for reading offline websites with hyperlinks. They seem more geared toward reading a single batch of text. Any suggestions?

11-05-2008, 02:46 PM	#5
Laurens Jah Blessed Posts: 1,295 Karma: 1373 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Netherlands Device: iPod Touch	New Framework Not that this is going to help you for now, but I'm currently designing a prototype for a new framework for creating your own, custom newspaper by aggregating news from multiple sources. The focus lies more on applying "collective intelligence" algorithms, rather than follow rigid RSS- or web site-based structure of the previous applications. We'll have to see how things work out, though, since I'm not even sure if such a goal is actually feasible, given time constraints. Like you, I'm sorely missing my daily dose of news. (Don't have a working Palm device anymore.) The output format will be fully decoupled from the actual aggregation process. My primary interest lies in supporting ePub, but it should be possible to hook up any output format.

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10-24-2008, 10:48 AM	#2
Gaurnim Final Five n°42 Posts: 789 Karma: 3599 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lyon, France Device: Cybook Gen3	As this part of the forum is an archive, maybe you would be more successful by posting it elsewhere (or by asking a moderator to move it), for instance in E-Book Software > Reading Software, and mentioning Plucker as well as Sunrise. As for a beginning of reply, maybe Calibre would allow you to retrieve the web pages and output them in a format you could reach on your device.

10-24-2008, 12:57 PM	#3
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,975 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	In the Plucker source code there is a program called “explode”. When you run it on a Plucker ebook, it “explodes” the book into HTML and images. This isn't easy to get for Windows, but it may be part of a Plucker viewer for Windows (that is also hard to get). The links to binaries no longer works, but see Plucker -> Reader. It seems a bit strange to use Sunrise to "pluck" web pages and then explode the result to recreate HTML, however this isn't the original HTML but a simplified Plucker variant. If you can get this to work, then Calibre can convert to ePub for Stanza, or perhaps the plucker HTML (if it is a single file - I'm not sure if it is or not) will be readable directly by Stanza. If someone has a Python version of plucker's explode then plucker could probably easily be added to Calibre's any2epub.

10-24-2008, 01:45 PM	#4
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	look at the bookit firefox extension. It can produce LRF or EPUB from websites (using calibre as the backend)

11-05-2008, 03:13 PM	#6
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 43,843 Karma: 22666666 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	What data would the "collective intelligence" algorithms use to decide which articles to include?

11-06-2008, 04:27 AM	#7
Laurens Jah Blessed Posts: 1,295 Karma: 1373 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Netherlands Device: iPod Touch	Text analysis. Extracting normalized terms from news items and then classifying items by similar terms.