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Surely you can understand the idea that different licenses for different things have different terms. The license to have have a copy of, and read the content of, your paperback book applies to the holder of the physical copy, as laid out in copyright law. The license for the content of the ebook form, is not usually transferable. That detail does not change the fact of it's nature. Once people understand this reality, we can band together to force a change in the licenses terms in our favor. While people still cry erroneous claims of "ownership", pleas for change are easily dismissed as ignorant ranting. Last edited by ApK; 04-19-2013 at 04:28 PM. |
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This seems like a complete non-story so far and only applies (at the moment) to the the Explorer Edition (i.e., the dev units) currently in the wild. If this is also a restriction on the final, publicly available hardware, then maybe feel free to take your pitchforks out of storage.
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This has nothing to do with any sort of "license". I didn't license my pbooks; I bought them. Those restrictions come from copyright law (as far as they are true, which is not always the case when a copyright holder tries to tell you what the law says). As the owner of a book, I have the right to do with its content anything not prohibited by copyright or other applicable law. The copyright holder has nothing to say about that; they could only choose to grant me further rights otherwise denied me by the law.
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Offer: We'll sell you this widget for $1,500 on the condition that you don't re-sell them. Acceptance: you buy the widget for $1,500. Consideration: (Every party gets something, every party looses something) Widget maker gets $1,500,000 but looses the ability sell it someone else, you get the widget, but you're out $1,500. If you then sell the widget, you're in breech of contract and the widget maker can sue for damages. Or, possibly, get a restraining order preventing you from re-selling it. Not really. Restraints on alienation (fancy way of saying re-selling, I only use alienation incase someone wanted to google phrase for legal precedent), while depreciated, have never been per-se illegal. Or even very uncommon. Consider tickets, many special event tickets say they are non-transferable. Maybe you've bought a large box with several individually wrapped items inside that say "not for re-sale"? Restraints on re-selling are quite common and have been for literally centuries. Quote:
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And I don't see why anybody would expect them not to. They've had the legal right to do this with any product for the past 2.5 years.
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04-19-2013, 07:22 PM | #27 |
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You'll continue to be wrong no matter how many times you repeat it. That the licence comes from law (called an implied license, IIRC) doesn't change what it is. Your rights to use someone else's intellectual property is called license. Just look it up.
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When you buy a physical book, you don't get a license for the content, you get a copy of it. IOW, you get a copy of the content that you "own". What you can do with that book is governed by the contract between you and the person who sold you the book. What you can do with the content of the book depends on the contract between you and the copyright holder. Assuming there is one. There usually isn't though. I mean, you're almost right. It just that usually, when you buy a book, there is no license involved. I say usually because contracts can change that. You can contract with someone to get more rights, or get fewer. With regards to copyright, you usually don't get anything when you buy a physical book. "All rights reserved", as they say. So you're right that you don't get a copyright on the content of the book, but you're wrong when you characterize what you do get as a license. Especially since you typically don't get anything. Don't feel to bad though, there's a lot of confusing legal terminology floating around about copyrights, contracts, and ownership. And often concepts are conflated. |
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04-20-2013, 07:23 AM | #30 |
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Why is this such a big deal? You wasted the time to signup for the beta program, made the payment, and now you change your mind? This is more to do with the fact that they don't want people activating it, seeing that it barely does anything, and then passing it on to another person who will simply do the same thing. You don't want to commit to a project? Tough luck. You either send it back so the company themselves can pick another worthy individual, or deal with being stuck with it.
This is not a finalized product that is ready for consumer consumption. That is why they did the signups the way that they did and ended up giving it to mostly high profile people and people who are not like me and you and sit in front of ebooks all day. It's a product for people who like to "explore", and taking pictures of your everyday coffee, your cat, and your grocery shopping, is not what they're after. I remember when Lytro was calling for beta testers, and the people who wanted a try had no clue, just NO CLUE at how selfish they sounded when their reasoning for wanting one was for taking pictures of their family and pets. Some guy was even after one for a research project he needed to have done by the end of the month. And when those types of people get ahold of something in beta, it leads to problems. Because then they start to complain about how this and that were bad, and that no one should be bothering to get it. They treat it as if they actually invested their own money into it. And in the case of Google Glass, you HAVE to invest money to get the developer hardware, which makes it even more of a problem. They are just trying to keep it under control while it's still in development. When it's available for you and I to pre-order once it's done for, there's going to be absolutely no problem with authorizing and de-authorizing our Google accounts. |
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