11-28-2008, 11:13 PM | #1 |
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Fan Fiction as eBooks
I'll explain my project first and then I'd like some general advise on my course of action.
I'm a Star Trek fan who writes under the name of Kirok of L'Stok and over the years I've written for, edited and published various newsletters and fanzines as well as organised various online events which has solidified into one I've been doing for the past two years called "The Twelve Trek Days of Christmas" (2007 and 2008) where over twelve days I organise twelve "giveaways" of various types to do with fan productions. Last year I publicised the work done by fans in fan films, paper models and gaming as well as doing an independant series of podbooks/audiobooks The position of fan productions in popular media is changing but we still live by the grace of the copyright owners. Every production, whether it's a written fiction, a fan film, an audio drama or a music video has a disclaimer to the fact that the writer or producer does not exercise any legal right over the intellectual property that the copyright owners lay claim to. If you want to pursue the topic further I've got gobbins of stuff about it on my fanzine, Acrux. Recently I was made director of publications and media at TrekUnited and this gave me some pretty nifty connections and resources so I decided that this year we would seriously break some new ground by expanding the publication of Star Trek fan fiction into ePublications. Up 'til now fan fictions have been posted on message boards like the venerable alt.startrek.creative, lodged on archives like TrekFiction.com or published, piecemeal, on forums like our own on TrekUnited. This makes the fan fiction community pretty close-knit and friendly but it isn't really reader-friendly. Technology-wise it's sort of like using a nailgun as a hammer or correcting your word-processing mistakes with "white-out" on the monitor! In other media fans have embraced technology and now have access to the worlds of cinema, animation, comics and computer games to combine their fan experience with their creativity to achieve some pretty impressive things. Why not fan fiction, thinks I?
I've been pimping for submissions for over a month now and so far we have six submissions in different stages of development. Basically what I'd like to do is to take a manuscript and ...
Here's the issues that i can see and i'd appreciate your input on them ...
I look forward to your feedback Cheers Kirok of L'Stok |
11-29-2008, 12:19 PM | #2 |
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Fan Fics are not allowed in the eBooks section here at MobileRead. The reason given was that they are based on copyrighted characters and material which places them in a gray area of the law. Most often authors overlook this when the person writing the fanfic does not profit from the effort but occasionally someone will take issue with it. Good luck on your effort. Do not sell or profit from the effort or you might get the copyright police down on you.
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11-29-2008, 06:30 PM | #3 | |
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On Fan Production as an aspect of The Long Tail
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The advise on profit is sound but it is something that is already ingrained in the culture of the fan production community. In the four years I've been reporting on Star Trek fan productions, I've not heard of one C&D (cease & desist) order being leveled at us precisely because we are a self-policing community. Some fan film groups have over ten years production invested in their work and they know that it could all be lost if one person or group, through ignorance or stupidity, were to force the studio to change their laissez faire attitude. In fact the only C&D I've heard of in recent times has been between LucasArts and a FanEdit (a video that has been edited by a fan to change the flow and content of the film) because it was insufficiently labeled as a fan production. Their problem was not one of profit - the FanEdit was not for sale - it was creative in that it was too like the original and Lucas didn't want any confusion between his own work and that of a fan. The C&D was lifted after stronger identification was placed on the cover. Our problem might come from, not the copyright owner but their licensee, Pocket Books who are the only people who have the legal right to make hardback, paperback and eBooks based in the Star Trek "universe". Some licensees have an almost symbiotic relationship with their fanbase especially the gaming fraternity where "mods" or extensions to the commercial games are not only allowed but encouraged to the extent where fan modification is part of the game itself! The experience here is that doing this increases the acceptance and longevity of the product ... the question is: is this something that would necessarily tempt the publishing industry? I would suggest yes. Remember we are talking about eBooks here, not a movie or TV program with millions invested in development costs. I'm not trying to trivialise the production costs of publishers, far from it, in fact I see eBooks as a way of publishers maintaining and extending on the income that they can expect from their production investment! Let's consider a specific book, John M Ford's classic tale, "The Final Reflection". Published in 1984, you can now pick it up in most second-hand book shops for cents which means that, other than a reprinting in 2004 in tandem with Michael Jan Friedman's "Kahless", they have had virtually no revenue from this title in years. What if there were a demand for that book again, reckon they would print it? I doubt it. However an eBook edition of it will keep revenue coming in from this IP without printing, warehousing or distribution costs - a classic example of "The Long Tail", as espoused by Chris Anderson, in action! Whilst I respect your forum's ruling, and will abide by it by not listing our productions here, it is based on a lawyer's perception of the negative worth of fan productions to the commercial world, one that has no basis in the real world. Fan production generates and maintains fan interest in a franchise far beyond any perceived loss of revenue (and I have yet to see any evidence of any). We give them free, targeted publicity that they could not buy, publicity that they can capitalise on. What more could they ask for? Could I at least get some feedback on the other aspects of our programme? Regards Kirok of L'Stok Fan Production Curmudgeon PS - By the way, gentlemen, could someone have the decency to explain why this post was moved from Uploading help to "Deals, Freebies, and Resources" when this has absolutely nothing to do with commercial gain other than in the negative sense that there is not now, nor ever has been, any suggestion that any fan production has ever tried to make any? I shall reserve further comment until I hear your reply. - K Last edited by Kirok; 11-29-2008 at 06:39 PM. Reason: Nose severely out of joint |
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11-29-2008, 06:39 PM | #4 |
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i don't know much about fan fiction so i can't address most of your points, but since you brought up formats, yes, mobipocket is a very commonly used format at this time, and epub is the emerging industry standard. as you say it is open source and a very robust format specifically for books. in addition, it can easily be converted to other format (like mobi). it's an excellent format to create because it will allow for very good formatting, meta data and archiving, and converting it to other formats as needed is trivial.
you make some very good points about exploiting the new technology in fan fiction as other media have done and i think you've got some very good ideas and it's an excellent initiative. good luck with your endeavour. |
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Doc to Mobi and ePub or Doc to ePub THEN Mobi?
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Perhaps it might be a better idea to create the ePub books first and then convert them to Mobipocket? Cheers K |
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11-29-2008, 06:58 PM | #6 |
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if you want to make epub books, i recommend using the online interface at feedbooks (unless you prefer to handcode, which is of course also an option). if you don't want to publish your book through their distribution plateform, just make the book and then request a preview which you can save to your computer. feedbooks can also create a mobipocket file so you don't have to do the work twice.
edit : take a look at their help pages which will explain some best practices for publishing epub books, and give you some useful info about book structure. |
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I shall simply have to take your word for it that this is the most appropriate place for my request. K |
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11-30-2008, 05:35 AM | #9 |
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If you prefer to have it moved to another forum section (eg the "Lounge" forum), please just say and I'll move the thread with pleasure. It just doesn't belong in "Book Uploads", which is concerned specifically with MR uploads.
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11-30-2008, 07:57 AM | #11 |
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Kirok, do you think this would fit better in the "Format Conversion" subforum?
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I shall abandon this thread and split my query in two and post them on the conversion forum and the lounge. You may lock this thread if you wish. Thanks for the suggestions K |
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11-30-2008, 05:58 PM | #13 |
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Hi Kirok
I should mention that I found out about the rules when I did upload a fanfic to this group (A HP one). I do appreciate the eBook aspects of this format and, while we don't permit uploads you can talk about it and post links to other sites. It is a perfect suitable topic. Dale |
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That's cool!
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... I get it wrong and I get a wrap across the knuckles and S&S alienate their fanbase. A win-win situation changing into a lose-lose scene! Cheers K PS I'm thoroughly enjoying "The Final Refection"! |
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12-01-2008, 03:50 AM | #15 |
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Last time I checked legally speaking fan fiction is a transformative work and protected under fair use?
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