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Old 02-01-2019, 08:01 AM   #76
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Only versions 2 to 2.01 to 3 to 3.01 to 3.1

You may not like where the development of EPUB is going, or how it's being handled--that's fair. But to say it's not being actively developed is quite disingenuous (if not downright misleading). The problem is with getting the developers of reading systems to adopt those changes. A problem that anyone looking to develop pdf to be more suitable for reading systems would face as well, I might add.
So, is there an Android program that fully supports ePub 3.1? Have you found an Android program that supports ePub Annotations?

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Old 02-01-2019, 08:23 AM   #77
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So, is there an Android program that fully supports ePub 3.1? Have you found an Android program that supports ePub Annotations?
No idea. You didn't ask about that. You weren't talking about reader innovation. You said epub development wasn't happening, I pointed out you were wrong. Now you're backtracking.

As far as epub reader development/innovation, there's still far, far more of that going on than pdf reader innovation, I can assure you. It's just not in areas that you deem "worthy."

At some point, you're simply going to have to realize that not enough people want what you're looking for to justify its development. Epub doesn't do what you want and PDF won't be taking over as the predominant ebook format. Ever. Move on. Annotations that are included in the ebook itself is not going to be a thing.

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Old 02-01-2019, 01:24 PM   #78
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No idea. You didn't ask about that. You weren't talking about reader innovation. You said epub development wasn't happening, I pointed out you were wrong. Now you're backtracking.

As far as epub reader development/innovation, there's still far, far more of that going on than pdf reader innovation, I can assure you. It's just not in areas that you deem "worthy."

At some point, you're simply going to have to realize that not enough people want what you're looking for to justify its development. Epub doesn't do what you want and PDF won't be taking over as the predominant ebook format. Ever. Move on. Annotations that are included in the ebook itself is not going to be a thing.
Whatever,

I agree with you that Epub has better features than PDF. For example, it allows we to change font size. But it will remain incomplete unless Annotations feature exists.

Meanwhile, Adobe is already providing DRM for ePub. Perhaps, in the future, it can simulate the properties of PDF to the features of ePub. That would be nice. :-)
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Whatever,

I agree with you that Epub has better features than PDF. For example, it allows we to change font size. But it will remain incomplete unless Annotations feature exists.
Given how many books I've owned and read over the decades and the few annotations I've made, the ability to annotate an ebook and have the annotations stored inside the ebook is barely worth a yawn. Just another solution in search of a problem.
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Just another solution in search of a problem.
Just imagine bugs in reading software that could actually alter/damage/delete portions of the ebook itself.
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Perhaps, in the future, it can simulate the properties of PDF to the features of ePub. That would be nice. :-)
PDF standards already tried to incorporate yet more of the "ebook" kitchen sink into PDF 2.0 (and beyond).

See this one talk, "PWP, EPUB and next generation PDF".

... I agree with Diap though, PDF is an awful ebook format. There's already too much of PDF's mentality leaking into EPUB with the horrendous FXL (Fixed Layout) EPUBs.

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Epub doesn't do what you want and PDF won't be taking over as the predominant ebook format. Ever. Move on. Annotations that are included in the ebook itself is not going to be a thing.
Back in 2017, there was another topic that discussed some of this stuff: Merge notes into epub file?

In ebook annotation land, everyone is pretty much in their own incompatible walled gardens, with no interoperability between programs/ecosystems.

In HTML more broadly, "Open Annotation" is a standard that's being worked on. There are barely any things that support this yet (Hypothes.is was the furthest along when I posted).

Currently, overwriting a PDF with your annotations is probably the only way you're going to reliably get "annotations baked into your file."

I swear around that same time period, there was another topic where a few users discussed Android PDF apps that could bake annotations into the PDF. That'll probably be your closest/best bet for now.

Side Note: This isn't getting into the absurdity of copyright law either... I remember Microsoft Edge for a while there refused to let you highlight large parts of an ebook because you... gasp... might COPY THE TEXT. So locking your books down with DRM doesn't help with "baking annotations into the file" either.

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