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Old 12-14-2009, 03:09 PM   #61
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It probably means no more than that they hit last-minute snags which weren't anticipated - perhaps beta testers found some nasty bug that's proving troublesome to fix. With the best will in the world, these things do happen.
I agree, delays happen and it doesn't damper my enthusiasm for what looks to be a really nice product. Time will tell whether it can truly compete with the other products on the market. They've definitely carved out a niche with the 8 inch screen

However, I continue to be amazed at how consistently they "screw up" product launches and software releases. They definitely have a trend of missing dates and from a business perspective they really need to understand what part of their process is breaking down and fix it.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:29 PM   #62
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They've definitely carved out a niche with the 8 inch screen
Personally, I think the 8 inch screen is the best compromise between too small vs too big. As far as I know, iRex are the only ones who make a display controller for an 8 inch eInk screen, so they essentially have a lock on that size device.

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Old 12-14-2009, 03:39 PM   #63
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Personally, I think the 8 inch screen is the best compromise between too small vs too big. As far as I know, iRex are the only ones who make a display controller for an 8 inch eInk screen, so they essentially have a lock on that size device.
It is true that iRex use their own display controller, but the Epson Broadsheet can also drive 8" screens. EInk Corp. has been advertising 8" screens since Vizplex came out. The missing part of the puzzle was standard 8.1" screens in volume from PVI, and I think this is exactly what iRex is using in the DR800SG. It isn't clear if anyone else is going to use this screen size, perhaps we will hear more at CES.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:11 PM   #64
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I don't see IREX on the upcoming January CES Exhibitors list if that means anything. Since they are already so very much out of the public's mind, they might as well wait until CES to see who they are competing against and re-introduce themselves... and hopefully not be like those Chinese restaurants with their grand opening decorations still hung out (barely) even after several years.

Last tweet from IREX was on Nov 6. Last update on their blog was on Nov 5. Looks like someone at IREX is taking a long unpaid vacation...
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:18 PM   #65
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It is true that iRex use their own display controller, but the Epson Broadsheet can also drive 8" screens. EInk Corp. has been advertising 8" screens since Vizplex came out. The missing part of the puzzle was standard 8.1" screens in volume from PVI, and I think this is exactly what iRex is using in the DR800SG. It isn't clear if anyone else is going to use this screen size, perhaps we will hear more at CES.
Thanks. I didn't realize the Epson controller came in an 8" size as well. That's good to know.
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They might as well close the doors now. They've missed the window and now they are right up against the Que Reader release and possibly Apple tablet.

They are done.
Wow, overreact much?
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According to the specs of the Epson controller (S1D13521), it supports up to 2048x1536 resolution. At current dpi of the mainstream 6" displays (800x600 res.), that would be a 15" diagonal screen...
But the costs for such an E-ink layer would be huge!

It's smaller brother (S1D13522) supports up to 1024x768 resolution. Exact match with the resolution of 8" screen from the iLiad and DR800
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Old 12-15-2009, 03:50 AM   #68
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Yeah I got the same email.



And I noticed that they can't spell January.

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I have received a mail just now, and it says it has been delayed till end Januari, not mid.

If they continue like this, maybe for 2012?
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Old 12-15-2009, 12:55 PM   #69
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I have received a mail just now, and it says it has been delayed till end Januari, not mid.

If they continue like this, maybe for 2012?
The Nook says the same thing. I just went to Barnes and Nobles site and it says that the Nook will not ship until February.

All signs are that this is a general eInk device problem. I'd put my money on a shortage of eInk screens that is effecting the DR800, Nook, PRS-900...
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All signs are that this is a general eInk device problem. I'd put my money on a shortage of eInk screens that is effecting the DR800, Nook, PRS-900...
Agreed. Good thing that PVI have announced that they'll be doubling their screen output in early 2010, from 100,000 to 200,000 screens per month.
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Agreed. Good thing that PVI have announced that they'll be doubling their screen output in early 2010, from 100,000 to 200,000 screens per month.
Do you have a link to the announcement? Does it give any hints that there is currently a manufacturing capacity problem that is driving the need for an increase?
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It certainly seems to be an issue affecting many manufacturers. I can't help but wonder if Amazon is sucking up a very high percentage of the capacity.
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It certainly seems to be an issue affecting many manufacturers. I can't help but wonder if Amazon is sucking up a very high percentage of the capacity.
Same here. I would assume that the reason Amazon hasn't had delays yet is because they built up a large stock of devices leading up to the Christmas season. That is probably what caused the shortage for newer devices that are trying to get through manufacturing now. Amazon sucked up a lot of the available screens, and now the other manufacturers can't get on the shelves to compete with them for the holiday shopping.

It sucks for consumers, but from a business perspective it's a pretty slick move on Amazon's part, if that is what really happened. A good way of limiting your competition is to use up as much of the common resources that you're all dependent on.
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FYI, I sent an email to PVI's e-paper sales representative asking if there is currently a screen shortage. I have no idea if they'll actually reply (I doubt it), but I'll pass on anything I learn.
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As for me I've given up for now. I went ahead and bought a Sony PRS-600. My brother had one and it handled the PDFs I wanted to read just fine and it's able to read epub.

The PDF's I want to read are for Microshaft's certification books. (No I don't like Microsoft, but they put money in my pockets.) And it reflowed the text just fine. I didn't know some PDFs could be reflowed. I learned something new. I'm sure the Irex will probably be able to do the same thing since they are using ADE.

I still want the DR800, but I will now wait for others to review it and maybe I'll buy one for my birthday in May. I still think the 8" screen is the idea size and I like their form factor. As long as the annotation works with that pen, they'll still probably get a purchase out of me, it will just be later rather than sooner.

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