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Old 01-31-2018, 03:59 AM   #31
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The OP said "just a tap", nothing about automated page turning.
True, but John wants automatic page turning.
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Old 01-31-2018, 05:22 PM   #32
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Been lurking here for years (awesome place!), but saw this topic and decided to delurk for a bit. I'm a long-time amateur pianist, and when I got my kindle, very soon afterwards I was thinking how nice it'd be to have something similar for sheet music.

Only took 7.5 years for it to become reality, but to me it was certainly worth the wait. Not in the least because I have a few bookcases with lots of old pianobooks that are falling apart, and piles of printed sheet music of which I have the original digital files... and digital sheet music looks so good on these screens! Early Spring cleaning. ;-)

I very seldom perform in public, so am not too worried about the Gvido suddenly dying on me during a performance. In fact, when I got the device, I found it a bit buggy, but after a software update, it's been smooth sailing all the way.

It does have a few flaws:
- No wireless transfer of sheets straight from the computer to the device, but it does work via the cloud (personal library) or via USB. My Mac didn’t much care for the USB solution (with some Android file transfer software) at first.
- The touch screen only responds to the stylus pen, so adding/changing information to the tags (Title, Composer etc.) means inputting the text via an on-screen keyboard by tapping on the letters with the pen. It's slow, even though you can save words like names of composers so it recognizes the word after adding the first few letters of the name, making it slightly less time-consuming.

Once you've got the sheets on the device and added any information, you don't ever need to do it again, though. And you can upload the sheets (including any notes you added) to your personal library, so you do have a backup in the cloud.

The Gvido is not smart enough to know when I want it to turn the pages, but the switches on the sides work fine. It took a bit of adjusting for me, because with real books, you almost blindly reach to turn the page, and here you do have to pay a bit more attention at first, otherwise you can miss the switch.

I did put a few non-sheet music pdf files onto the device, just for the heck of it. And quickly deleted them again. I don't think anybody would like to read a novel this way, and for large-size pages, a one-screen device is much better.

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Old 01-31-2018, 10:42 PM   #33
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Thanks, moonmuse, it's great to have a report from someone who has actually used the device.
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:06 PM   #34
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My fear of using an electronic device would be that it wiuld lock up in the middle of a performance.
My biggest fear is ME locking up in the middle of a performance, when playing from memory!

Actually, you do play much better from memory than when using printed music. But memorization is more difficult for some of us than for others.

Another question: Why is it that the soloist in a concerto with the symphony has to play from memory, when everybody ELSE in the orchestra has music in front of them?! It's just not fair I tell you, not fair!
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Old 02-28-2018, 12:12 AM   #35
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My biggest fear is ME locking up in the middle of a performance, when playing from memory!

Actually, you do play much better from memory than when using printed music. But memorization is more difficult for some of us than for others.

Another question: Why is it that the soloist in a concerto with the symphony has to play from memory, when everybody ELSE in the orchestra has music in front of them?! It's just not fair I tell you, not fair!
I've never understood why solo performers are supposed to play from memory. I've known otherwise excellent musicians who just don't happen to have a good memory. I would much prefer to watch & listen to a confident performance using the music than a performance with memory glitches and restarts.
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I've never understood why solo performers are supposed to play from memory. I've known otherwise excellent musicians who just don't happen to have a good memory. I would much prefer to watch & listen to a confident performance using the music than a performance with memory glitches and restarts.
Probably because by the time you are ready to perform as a solo performer, you have already practised the given piece so many times it would be surprising if you didn't know it by heart. Or rather, "by your fingers", since as the story goes, if you cut off a musician's head during the performance, his fingers will still continue playing for quite a while. I am an amateur musician myself, but I already reached a level with quite a few pieces that my fingers can automatically play the music and I can be reading a book at the same time.

Nonetheless, I don't think this particular device is up to its intended purpose. There are too many flaws already mentioned in this thread, to which I'll add just one. This is the same flaw that many e-learning textbooks share. They are laid out and devised by people who have experience mostly with paper textbooks, so they actually replicate in digital all the limitations of the "analogue" world. One example would be the idea of "repeats", "codas" etc. While on paper they need to be marked with special signs and the artist has to flip pages to and fro, in digital they should be treated more or less as "shadow copies" (as they are calles in some DAW apps) so no returns or flipping back should ever be needed.

But this won't happen unless music publishing houses completely revise their philosophy (perceiving sheet music as a logical structure, not as a visual approximation of music). And I don't believe this is going to happen in any foreseeable future.
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Old 03-03-2018, 10:54 PM   #37
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Nonetheless, I don't think this particular device is up to its intended purpose. There are too many flaws already mentioned in this thread, to which I'll add just one. This is the same flaw that many e-learning textbooks share. They are laid out and devised by people who have experience mostly with paper textbooks, so they actually replicate in digital all the limitations of the "analogue" world. One example would be the idea of "repeats", "codas" etc. While on paper they need to be marked with special signs and the artist has to flip pages to and fro, in digital they should be treated more or less as "shadow copies" (as they are calles in some DAW apps) so no returns or flipping back should ever be needed.
From the web site, it looks like they have made some attempt to do this. There are some details about organising the pages of the score so that only paging forward is used. It doesn't appear to be automatic, but the user of the device has to organise what they need, but it looks like they can order the pages so that a group of pages will be repeated however many times it is needed. The "shadow copies" sounds like a good description to me.

Of course, it would be better if the digitisation of the score and the software displaying it handled this automatically. Some of these are up to the interpretation of the performer, and what is done while learning a new piece is different, so something like this would need to be customisable. My experience with this is fairly low (turning pages for other family members) and I've never really looked at the software available, so maybe something is already available to do this.
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I was reading the spec on the new Onyx stuff, and the Boox e-Music Score says: "Auto page turning with piano score".

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