09-23-2013, 05:52 AM | #76 |
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I can very easily because I'm talking about behaviour, not rules. Are you suggesting that author's behaviour on Goodreads is actually moderated differently from anybody else? If so, in policy or in practice?
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09-23-2013, 07:15 AM | #77 | |
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On GR reviewers are the content creators, not the authors. Reviews will be deleted, book titles won't disappear from the site. I'll try to make an analogy, and yes, I know that it isn't perfect. Imagine that one day Amazon would decide that books which are focused on the personal lives of real people count as harassment and would proceed to remove these books on a Friday after an announcement to that effect. And imagine that this change in policy would be the result of real people harassing authors followed by books being written on that harassment. |
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09-23-2013, 08:41 AM | #78 |
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Complaints like these are similar to outcries about the absence of "Freedom of Speech" from people who think that it should cover trolling, gutter language and extreme rudeness on forums, in online games, other people's homes, etc.
Freedom is one of those things that you eventually lose if you misuse and abuse it for too long. If people used Goodreads in the way as described here, then it isn't surprising that it led to restrictions. If you are disrespectful, you reap disrespect in return. It's not censorship. It's keeping the (their) place usable and enjoyable for everyone instead of letting a few ruin it for others. |
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I really can't see why including book listings in this decision is even relevant, as the reason for the change in policy has nothing to do with the existence of books or their listings on the site. I thought that would have been fairly obvious. This seems to be about member content and behaviour on the site and as such, impacts everyone. |
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09-23-2013, 11:30 AM | #80 |
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Do they have different rules, or additional rules? Are there different guidelines regarding how they use site functions shared among all members? ^as mentioned above. It seems the authors can be reading/reviewing members like anyone, but I could be wrong there.
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They've tried to clarify some of the changes in updates. Here.
Among the updates is this... Anyone else with reviews or shelves created prior to September 21, 2013 that will be deleted under the revised policy will be sent a notification first and given time to decide what to do. I'm glad they're finally doing something. I hate it when people use book reviews to rant and rave about everything but the book. I do think they should just make all shelves private, so no one else can see what they're named. That would have been a lot better than deleting them. |
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^But there are lots of useful shelves out there amongst friends. When I create a shelf of my favourites other people that have very similar taste in many common titles can check it out to get an individual recommendation style list for things they haven't read yet.
I have no qualms about the new rules. As has been stated, there is a distinct lack of respect with many people these days and the Internet is about the worst place for these people. That and rush hour traffic. |
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If you want a shelf for keeping a record of revolting books and/or authors you want to avoid then simply give it a low-key name. Don't call it "scumbag authors" or anything like that, go for "not for me". After all, we are not going to forget what that shelf is for, are we? What I hope is that now that Goodreads are enforcing a bit civility on members that they also get a bit stricter at enforcing the rules on authors themselves. |
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At least that seems like the most sensible thing to me. |
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According to several GR users their shelves about books labeled as P2P were deleted. But indicating a book was previously fan fiction is about the book not the author.
And as others have pointed out they are removing reviews about negative author behavior but not reviews about positive author behavior. While I agree somewhat with the sentiment of what GR is trying to do and that reviews should always be about the actual books, the way they've gone about it is causing more issues. |
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I am pretty sure this will impact a small amount of users. There's been lynch mob behavior on both sides, and I think GR has decided to put a stop to it before it runs even more readers off the site. |
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For me, the problem is not the change of TOS. It doesn't affect me. The problem is that they change the TOS without warning and delete user content which was valid prior to the change without notice (goodreads staff has acknowledged they have done it). And they say they shouldn't have done it? Of course they haven't. That is the problem, not the change of TOS.
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