Is it easy to remove DRM protection? - Page 17

pdurrant · 01-06-2011, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by voracious71

For those running Leopard or Snow Leopard, there is a goof proof method on Apprentice Alfs blog for November..Drag and drop, that's all I'll say.

And I see that it's just been updated again...

speedlever · 01-06-2011, 07:29 AM

Ok, I see. I would like to think that in the past two years since that take-down notice, the industry would have made some progress. I see the battle is still before us.

Thanks for that.

I just can't seem to wrap my head around how DRM is a benefit to anybody. If I owned a bookstore, I'd want to sell my product to anyone wanting to purchase. Not just the Chevy drivers.

pdurrant · 01-06-2011, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by speedlever

I just can't seem to wrap my head around how DRM is a benefit to anybody.

It's of benefit to people selling DRM systems. Adobe Systems gets $0.22/£0.11 for every book sold with Adobe Adept DRM.

It's certainly not of benefit to customers.

Hopefully publishers will eventually see that it's not to their benefit either.

speedlever · 01-06-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

It's of benefit to people selling DRM systems. Adobe Systems gets $0.22/£0.11 for every book sold with Adobe Adept DRM.

It's certainly not of benefit to customers.

Hopefully publishers will eventually see that it's not to their benefit either.

Fascinating. Well let me rephrase, if I owned a bookstore, I can't imagine the sales pitch that would make me want to implement a system that would add to my overhead and restrict my sales to only those customers who drive Chevys.

Terisa de morgan · 01-06-2011, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by speedlever

Fascinating. Well let me rephrase, if I owned a bookstore, I can't imagine the sales pitch that would make me want to implement a system that would add to my overhead and restrict my sales to only those customers who drive Chevys.

Try to look at this. I have to develop a system to offer my books and allow the purchases. I can do it from scrap (to implement, as you say) or I can purchase a commercial system which is already working. What would you choose?

And no, my profession is not software developer, it's bookstore owner, and open source is a good concept, but you can't find software to support all the value chain at a bookstore (sorry, software developer here, in the common war between tailored systems and commercial systems).

JSWolf · 01-06-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinH

Hi,

The script to get the key is actually just calculation and hashing done in python (unlike the Adobe Adept key process which has to extract it either from your registry or find it in your activation.dat). The old windows-only "ignoblekey" script stopped working a long time ago and has not been part of the "tools" release for some time. In fact more advanced versions of all of IHeartCabbages scripts can be found in the "tools"

So are you saying that ignoblekeygen_v2.1.pyw no longer generates a usable key or are you saying the on Windows ignoblekey is broken?

If the first, please post info about it to the Apprentice Alf site so that the developers there can track down the issue and get it fixed if one exists.

So it is. I've not run v2.1. I've only run the one that makes the keyfile by pulling stuff from the system.

JSWolf · 01-06-2011, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pdurrant

It's of benefit to people selling DRM systems. Adobe Systems gets $0.22/£0.11 for every book sold with Adobe Adept DRM.

It's certainly not of benefit to customers.

Hopefully publishers will eventually see that it's not to their benefit either.

The only problem will be is that if DRM is removed from eBooks totally, then we won't have eBooks via the library/Overdrive unless that's the only place DRM is kept going.

ApK · 01-06-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The only problem will be is that if DRM is removed from eBooks totally, then we won't have eBooks via the library/Overdrive unless that's the only place DRM is kept going.

Libraries offers plenty of e-content now without DRM, why would they stop offering eBooks?

JSWolf · 01-06-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ApK

Libraries offers plenty of e-content now without DRM, why would they stop offering eBooks?

Because without DRM, it is in effect giving away commercial eBooks that otherwise would have to be paid for.

ApK · 01-06-2011, 10:39 AM

No, no more than it is in effect giving away commercial music or audiobooks or other unprotected stuff they lend currently.
They loan that stuff now, and there does not appear to be a great drain on resources or an uproar of copyright complaints. So why would ebooks...which if I understand correctly, still have a smaller audience than MP3 audio material...be any different?

speedlever · 01-06-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

Try to look at this. I have to develop a system to offer my books and allow the purchases. I can do it from scrap (to implement, as you say) or I can purchase a commercial system which is already working. What would you choose?

And no, my profession is not software developer, it's bookstore owner, and open source is a good concept, but you can't find software to support all the value chain at a bookstore (sorry, software developer here, in the common war between tailored systems and commercial systems).

I hate those "Do you want your left arm or your right arm ripped off?" type questions. There's always more to an issue than is first apparent.

DiapDealer · 01-06-2011, 10:52 AM

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I hate those "Do you want your left arm or your right arm ripped off?" type questions. There's always more to an issue than is first apparent.

My left arm, without a doubt. Easy-peasy.

KevinH · 01-06-2011, 04:09 PM

FYI, there is now a tools_v3.1.zip out there with bug fixes for all of the tools and plugins, DeDRM 1.6 and added support for older mobi TEXtREAd books.

Check the usual places.

unboggling · 01-06-2011, 06:36 PM

Isn't it ironic that the number of views of this thread is so high?

Barty · 01-06-2011, 07:24 PM

The irony of DRM is it's either too much or too little. With DRM, the readers' rights are restricted in a way they would find ridiculous with pbooks. Can't lend it (except once for 14 days), can't resell it, can't donate it to a library, can't give it to someone else. Then there's the unlikely but real chance you won't be even able to read it at some point b/c you don't actually own it.

Without DRM, it's trivially simple to make unlimited, instant, perfect copies and spread it to all the world. It's easy to say DRM is easily breakable and authors should forget the pirates and concentrate on paying customers. But when it's your livelihood it's difficult to be sanguine. Locks don't stop the determined, but they deter the casual and opportunistic, and keep the basically honest from being too tempted.

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01-06-2011, 07:29 AM	#242
speedlever Fanatic Posts: 592 Karma: 138200 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NC, USA Device: PW2014, PW2012, iPad Pro	Ok, I see. I would like to think that in the past two years since that take-down notice, the industry would have made some progress. I see the battle is still before us. Thanks for that. I just can't seem to wrap my head around how DRM is a benefit to anybody. If I owned a bookstore, I'd want to sell my product to anyone wanting to purchase. Not just the Chevy drivers.

01-06-2011, 10:39 AM	#250
ApK Award-Winning Participant Posts: 7,316 Karma: 67862884 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NJ, USA Device: Kindle	No, no more than it is in effect giving away commercial music or audiobooks or other unprotected stuff they lend currently. They loan that stuff now, and there does not appear to be a great drain on resources or an uproar of copyright complaints. So why would ebooks...which if I understand correctly, still have a smaller audience than MP3 audio material...be any different?

01-06-2011, 04:09 PM	#253
KevinH Sigil Developer Posts: 7,644 Karma: 5433388 Join Date: Nov 2009 Device: many	FYI, there is now a tools_v3.1.zip out there with bug fixes for all of the tools and plugins, DeDRM 1.6 and added support for older mobi TEXtREAd books. Check the usual places.

01-06-2011, 06:36 PM	#254
unboggling Wizard Posts: 1,065 Karma: 858115 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kobo Clara, Kindle Paperwhite 10	Isn't it ironic that the number of views of this thread is so high?

01-06-2011, 07:24 PM	#255
Barty doofus Posts: 2,520 Karma: 13036221 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Voyage	The irony of DRM is it's either too much or too little. With DRM, the readers' rights are restricted in a way they would find ridiculous with pbooks. Can't lend it (except once for 14 days), can't resell it, can't donate it to a library, can't give it to someone else. Then there's the unlikely but real chance you won't be even able to read it at some point b/c you don't actually own it. Without DRM, it's trivially simple to make unlimited, instant, perfect copies and spread it to all the world. It's easy to say DRM is easily breakable and authors should forget the pirates and concentrate on paying customers. But when it's your livelihood it's difficult to be sanguine. Locks don't stop the determined, but they deter the casual and opportunistic, and keep the basically honest from being too tempted.

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