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Old 10-17-2021, 03:17 PM   #61
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People have been writing grammatically (not to mention syntactically) horrifying letters and hand-written notes to each other for centuries. The text medium is not the enemy of literacy.

Another problem with the "txting is dumbing us down" straw man is that there is almost ZERO relationship between spelling and grammar, despite what pedantic prescriptivist peevers preach.

A typographical error is seldom a grammatical error, and it was interesting to see two posts above complaining about spelling as a sign of decreased literacy both containing spelling errors.

Guy Deutscher's excellent "The Unfolding of Language" has a great section in it that is a collection of "English is going to hell, it's not like the good old days" quotes from Orwell to Swift and beyond. The Venerable Bede probably muttered into his cups about it too.

We live in a world that responded to a pandemic by producing and distributing a whole new class of vaccines in less than 12 months from the appearance of the virus - not the sign of a species that is growing "dumber", imho.

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Old 10-17-2021, 04:22 PM   #62
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I looked up the "definition" literacy; some may be slightly different. If the ability to read, write & communicate is defined as literacy then I am definitely becoming illiterate regarding my less than stellar understanding of the "text" mode of writing. And as language is constantly evolving, then texting may become a "norm"; think of how many words now have different connotations, some of which would/may encounter arguments/fighting & how words mean differently when spoken as to being written.

Spelling changes, local use also changes as is the pronounciations; so what is defined as literacy changes according to locale? I acknowledge that I am becoming illiterate as I do not think I can communicate in the txting mode which may be the new norm.

Then I don't think I saw any definition of literacy that included a dependency on the choice of language. I consider I am very illiterated in French, Spanish, German, Chinese, Japanese, etc.; may be literate in western USA English, sometimes.
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I looked up the "definition" literacy; some may be slightly different. If the ability to read, write & communicate is defined as literacy then I am definitely becoming illiterate regarding my less than stellar understanding of the "text" mode of writing. And as language is constantly evolving, then texting may become a "norm"; think of how many words now have different connotations, some of which would/may encounter arguments/fighting & how words mean differently when spoken as to being written.

Spelling changes, local use also changes as is the pronounciations; so what is defined as literacy changes according to locale? I acknowledge that I am becoming illiterate as I do not think I can communicate in the txting mode which may be the new norm.

Then I don't think I saw any definition of literacy that included a dependency on the choice of language. I consider I am very illiterated in French, Spanish, German, Chinese, Japanese, etc.; may be literate in western USA English, sometimes.

The idea that WRITTEN language is the primary form and the standard for determining competence/mastery is a whole nother issue, of course
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...despite what pedantic prescriptivist peevers preach.
Are they related to the nattering nabobs of negativism?
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congenitally close, conceivably cousins.
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Another problem with the "txting is dumbing us down" straw man is that there is almost ZERO relationship between spelling and grammar, despite what pedantic prescriptivist peevers preach.
Also, telegraphs.
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