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Old 05-17-2016, 01:43 PM   #16
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Yes, that is just on 3G models.

If you still, repeatedly, don't believe me... then just go right ahead and read Amazon's official help page: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custom...deId=201974310
Oh then they have changed that in the last few years. I know I was charged about 36 cents when I sent some docs to my Fire (not 3g) about 3 years ago.
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Old 05-17-2016, 01:46 PM   #17
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Because Amazon explicitly says they will charge you?

Don't ask me, ask Amazon.
I know that they *say* that...they also *say* that you only have 7 days to return ebooks. What I'm questioning is whether it is actually true.

As I said, I could be wrong and I have gotten charged when sending personal docs to my mom's kindle, but I don't remember ever seeing a charge.

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Old 05-17-2016, 02:01 PM   #18
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I know that they *say* that...they also *say* that you only have 7 days to return ebooks. What I'm questioning is whether it is actually true.

As I said, I could be wrong and I have gotten charged when sending personal docs to my mom's kindle, but I don't remember ever seeing a charge.

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The last time I returned a book, the CS rep was trying not to laugh.
Reason for return was "the author wanted me to look at the sample and I clicked buy." The author gave me the book.
The rep not only refunded the book but sent the sample to my kindle.

You have 7 days to use the return function. After that you must call Amazon.
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Old 05-17-2016, 03:49 PM   #19
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The last time I returned a book, the CS rep was trying not to laugh.
Reason for return was "the author wanted me to look at the sample and I clicked buy." The author gave me the book.
The rep not only refunded the book but sent the sample to my kindle.

You have 7 days to use the return function. After that you must call Amazon.
Yes...but the "after that you must call Amazon" is not actually listed in the official policies anywhere that I can see. This is what they say on the website about returning Kindle books:
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Books purchased from the Kindle Store can be returned within seven days of purchase. Once a refund is issued, you'll no longer have access to the book. To request a refund and return content, visit Manage Your Content and Devices, select the Actions button next to the title you'd like to return, and select Return for Refund.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/cus...5DE422D94F3078

That's why I'm questioning the stated guidelines for personal documents vs the way it actually is. To my knowledge, I've never been charged for the delivery of a personal document, even if it was sent to a device that was only connected to a 3G network. I think that if I had emailed it directly to the 3G only device I might have been charged, but that's not what I do. Usually I email books to my wifi Kindle, and they are then stored in the cloud. My mother later connects using her 3G only Kindle and downloads the document.

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Old 05-17-2016, 04:15 PM   #20
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Yes...but the "after that you must call Amazon" is not actually listed in the official policies anywhere that I can see. This is what they say on the website about returning Kindle books:

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/help/cus...5DE422D94F3078

That's why I'm questioning the stated guidelines for personal documents vs the way it actually is. To my knowledge, I've never been charged for the delivery of a personal document, even if it was sent to a device that was only connected to a 3G network. I think that if I had emailed it directly to the 3G only device I might have been charged, but that's not what I do. Usually I email books to my wifi Kindle, and they are then stored in the cloud. My mother later connects using her 3G only Kindle and downloads the document.

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Nope, using the send to kindle no charge.
Sometimes I do wonder about Amazon policies.
I think even though it isn't official if you discover you bought an unreadable book due to formatting issues, they refund anytime but you do have to call. If you just didn't like the book I don't think they refund after 7 days.
Basically defective ebooks only.
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Oh that isn't just on 3g models.
IIRC: depending on the way you send to kindle there is a 5 or 10 cent fee for larger docs.
Well I've been emailing 30--40MiB of stuff to the Kindle (@free.kindle.com, wifi) every week for years. No charges, ever, though of late Amazon has started cutting me off because they're too impatient to allow SMTP over ADSL, so I'm having to forward it all via gmail, which is a bit annoying: but still, no charges.
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Old 05-17-2016, 07:44 PM   #22
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Yes, that is just on 3G models.

If you still, repeatedly, don't believe me... then just go right ahead and read Amazon's official help page: http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custom...deId=201974310
Yes, but there is a way round that.

Once the item is in the archives/ cloud you don't have to pay to download it.

Thus if I send a doc to a Wi-Fi only Kindle I don't have to pay AND it's now in the cloud and can be downloaded to my 3G Kindle at no charge.
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Yes, but there is a way round that.

Once the item is in the archives/ cloud you don't have to pay to download it.

Thus if I send a doc to a Wi-Fi only Kindle I don't have to pay AND it's now in the cloud and can be downloaded to my 3G Kindle at no charge.
...which is kind of what I was saying...

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Yes, but there is a way round that.

Once the item is in the archives/ cloud you don't have to pay to download it.

Thus if I send a doc to a Wi-Fi only Kindle I don't have to pay AND it's now in the cloud and can be downloaded to my 3G Kindle at no charge.
I was wondering if that was the case.

Although what I told Cinisajoy is still true -- you certainly aren't charged when you email it to a WiFi-only Kindle to begin with.
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Well, you are already having to download the book itself over WiFi, and the page number is comparatively less important. I dunno, I don't usually think about this anyway -- I sideload on my single ereading device.
I suppose my use model is different from most -- I use my iPad as my primary reader, but I am planning to get a Kindle to use as my "outdoors" reader.

In that use model, loading books can be done at pre planned times (i.e. over wifi) but progress sync is critical and time-sensitive: I'd like to be able to walk inside, set down the Kindle, pick up the iPad, and continue where I left off. (And vice versa.)
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I suppose my use model is different from most -- I use my iPad as my primary reader, but I am planning to get a Kindle to use as my "outdoors" reader.

In that use model, loading books can be done at pre planned times (i.e. over wifi) but progress sync is critical and time-sensitive: I'd like to be able to walk inside, set down the Kindle, pick up the iPad, and continue where I left off. (And vice versa.)
To sync, both devices have to have wifi on.
And you have to click sync. It is not automatic.
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To sync, both devices have to have wifi on.
And you have to click sync. It is not automatic.
Actually, if I am reading on one Kindle, and then go to another and open the same book, it will automatically pop up a message asking me if I want to sync to the furthest page read. I don't have click sync from the first Kindle, and from the second, I just have to acknowledge the message. I do have to have wifi active on both devices, though.

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So you do have to acknowledge the sync message. And make sure both wifis are on.
I know many people read with wifi off.
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So you do have to acknowledge the sync message. And make sure both wifis are on.
I know many people read with wifi off.
Why? Does it have an appreciable effect on battery life? Fear of NSA/SVR?
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