Register Guidelines E-Books Today's Posts Search

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > General Discussions

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-08-2015, 08:07 PM   #1
Barty
doofus
Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Barty's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,524
Karma: 13088847
Join Date: Sep 2010
Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Voyage
Salman Rushdie gave To Kill a Mockingbird 3 stars on Goodreads

http://www.vox.com/2015/4/8/8370227/...dreads-ratings

Turns out he did not know the ratings were public. He thought they were only a way to get recommendation for books he likes. In other words, he was being truly honest!

Harper Lee probably gives his books 2 stars, so it's all good
Barty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 08:54 PM   #2
eschwartz
Ex-Helpdesk Junkie
eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
eschwartz's Avatar
 
Posts: 19,422
Karma: 85397180
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity
Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)
Absolutely despicable.

Whatever happened to snobbish literary author solidarity???
eschwartz is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 04-08-2015, 10:12 PM   #3
Froide
Wizard
Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Froide ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Froide's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,898
Karma: 9851695
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Noo Yawk
Device: Samsung Galaxy and Windows devices. RIP: Palm & Nook devices.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barty View Post
http://www.vox.com/2015/4/8/8370227/...dreads-ratings

Turns out he did not know the ratings were public. He thought they were only a way to get recommendation for books he likes. In other words, he was being truly honest!

Harper Lee probably gives his books 2 stars, so it's all good
LOL.

Quote:
On Goodreads, people share what they are currently reading and give books they've finished a star rating. They also have the option of writing a brief review. Both can be viewed by anyone who follows a given user. That was what Rushdie didn't quite understand when he started giving brutally low ratings to some of literature's most beloved works.

Harper Lee's Pulitzer Prize–winning To Kill a Mockingbird got only three stars. Lucky Jim, Kingsley Amis's award winning first novel, which Time declared one of the 100 best novels published since the magazine's inception, received a single measly star. Only a few novels, including F. Scott Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby and Evelyn Waugh’s A Handful of Dust, were deemed worthy of a perfect five-star rating.

Almost immediately, Rushdie's followers on Goodreads questioned his judgment.
Several takeaways, off the cuff. Other (and better) ones will doubtless occur to me after I press "Submit Reply":
  • RTFM, especially if you're a public persona
  • Despite what TFM, the terms of service, and the privacy rules state at any given time, never trust social media - or any other online venue - with any information you wouldn't air publicly
  • It's prudent to use an alias on public media because of #2, especially if you're a public persona
  • With regard to tastes in books (or anything else), diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks
  • Despite the popularity of phrases such as "the wisdom of crowds", sometimes crowds can be dumb, especially on social media (except of course, most MobileReaders)
Froide is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 10:35 PM   #4
Barty
doofus
Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Barty ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Barty's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,524
Karma: 13088847
Join Date: Sep 2010
Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Voyage
Quote:
Originally Posted by eschwartz View Post
Absolutely despicable.

Whatever happened to snobbish literary author solidarity???
Some of the most entertaining things you can read are famous writers completely trashing other famous writers.

Friedrich Nietzsche on Dante Alighieri

“A hyena that wrote poetry on tombs.”

Gertrude Stein on Ezra Pound

“A village explainer. Excellent if you were a village, but if you were not, not.”

Faulkner on Hemingway

“He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the dictionary.”

Hemingway on William Faulkner

“Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words?”

Gore Vidal on Truman Capote

“He’s a full-fledged housewife from Kansas with all the prejudices.”

Oscar Wilde on Alexander Pope

“There are two ways of disliking poetry; one way is to dislike it, the other is to read Pope.”
Barty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2015, 10:45 PM   #5
eschwartz
Ex-Helpdesk Junkie
eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
eschwartz's Avatar
 
Posts: 19,422
Karma: 85397180
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity
Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)
Oh, does the literary elite still know how to do that? I thought they had devolved into a special club that bashes Amazon...

Yes, I know several of those quotes.
eschwartz is offline   Reply With Quote
Advert
Old 04-09-2015, 09:10 AM   #6
gmw
cacoethes scribendi
gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.gmw ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
gmw's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,809
Karma: 137770742
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Australia
Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650
I like Salman's response: "Well, I don’t like the work of Kingsley Amis, there it is. I don’t have to explain or justify. It’s allowed."

That, to me, is exactly the point.

I must admit that I find it interesting when my favourite authors reveal what they like to read, and sometimes I'll try a few out (if I haven't already). Sometimes I agree with them, and sometimes I don't. It doesn't matter, it doesn't change what I think of their work.

It's worth remembering, too, that many of us read famous books because they're famous, not because they are what we might normally pick up. If it turns out to be a disappointment, it may simply be because it doesn't match our tastes - quite likely we guessed that at the start, but we read it anyway to see what all the fuss was about.

The article claims "But the ratings, if Rushdie really did think they were private, might be some of his most honest expressions of opinion about literature." That's a bit of a leap. Other possible interpretations include: he thought it was private he could just muck around with the ratings to see what happened; he thought it was private so filled in a lot very quickly without much consideration. My guess, from what Salman is quoted as saying, is that it was probably a mixture of all that.
gmw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 09:54 AM   #7
RHWright
Addict
RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.RHWright ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 219
Karma: 2617122
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: North Carolina
Device: NOOK ST, Nexus 7
I also gave TKaM a 3-star rating. So what?

Though GR gives a suggestion as to what a star rating means, there has been extensive discussion over there about how everyone uses them individually/differently/idiosyncratically anyway.

Maybe he's only rating books he likes and wants recommendations for and *his* 1-star is a basic "liked it," 3-star is "a really excellent book," and 5-star is reserved for ">SQUEE!< OMG this book is the Mary Poppins of books--practically perfect in every way; not a word or piece of punctuation out of place or dispensable. It changed my own life in nearly inexpressible transportive ways!!!"

Why this is newsworthy, other than it is the celebrity version of the stupidity that has gone on over ratings at Goodreads (and ratings inflation, sockpuppetting, bullying, counter-bullying, harrassment, etc) for some time, is beyond me.
RHWright is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 09:55 AM   #8
WillAdams
Wizard
WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.WillAdams ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
WillAdams's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,234
Karma: 3350652
Join Date: Feb 2008
Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite (300ppi), Samsung Galaxy Book 12
It's worth reading Pedram Moallemian's answer to this question on Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-do-Iranian...Salman-Rushdie just to have the full story on why / how he Salman Rushdie became a news figure.
WillAdams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 10:51 AM   #9
Ryvyan
I read what I want.
Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Ryvyan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Ryvyan's Avatar
 
Posts: 224
Karma: 372315
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Singapore
Device: iPhone XS, iPhone 6, Kobo Clara
Literature preferences vary and I don't fault anyone for not liking what I like or liking what I despise. Sure, if we are friends, I may pretend to give them so much side-eye for general bad taste. But what anyone likes is so personal that it doesn't actually matter.

Unless they don't read. Then I judge them pretty badly.
Ryvyan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 11:15 AM   #10
HomeInMyShoes
Grand Sorcerer
HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.HomeInMyShoes ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 19,226
Karma: 67780237
Join Date: Jul 2011
Device: none
I'm not sure why people think 3 is a bad rating. if you follow what Goodreads prescribes to the ratings:

1 - didn't like it
2 - it was okay
3 - I liked it
4 - really liked it
5 - it was amazing

Anything 3-5 is a worthy read, even 2 depending on the audience. For me, my rating can vary for a book depending on the day and a lot of the times a book just wasn't the right one for me at the time meaning what might have been a four becomes a three.

In the end its a personal opinion and aesthetics aren't really arguable. Like others, I fail to understand how this is news.
HomeInMyShoes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 02:19 PM   #11
eschwartz
Ex-Helpdesk Junkie
eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.eschwartz ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
eschwartz's Avatar
 
Posts: 19,422
Karma: 85397180
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity
Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)
@HomeInMyShoes,

Ordinarily I would agree. But there is a more important issue, as I stated above. -- surely this demands he rate it
Quote:
Originally Posted by RHWright View Post
>SQUEE!< OMG this book is the Mary Poppins of books--practically perfect in every way; not a word or piece of punctuation out of place or dispensable. It changed my own life in nearly inexpressible transportive ways!!!
eschwartz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2015, 03:45 PM   #12
Catlady
Grand Sorcerer
Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Catlady ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Catlady's Avatar
 
Posts: 7,345
Karma: 52398889
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip
He's entitled to like what he likes. But I'm entitled to think his judgment is seriously flawed.
Catlady is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2015, 08:11 AM   #13
Hamlet53
Nameless Being
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes View Post
I'm not sure why people think 3 is a bad rating. if you follow what Goodreads prescribes to the ratings:

1 - didn't like it
2 - it was okay
3 - I liked it
4 - really liked it
5 - it was amazing

Anything 3-5 is a worthy read, even 2 depending on the audience. For me, my rating can vary for a book depending on the day and a lot of the times a book just wasn't the right one for me at the time meaning what might have been a four becomes a three.

In the end its a personal opinion and aesthetics aren't really arguable. Like others, I fail to understand how this is news.
Good point. Rare is the book that receives 5 stars from me. I give a rating of three stars all the time, and in the universe of books woud consider two stars the most frequent.
  Reply With Quote
Old 04-10-2015, 08:53 AM   #14
issybird
o saeclum infacetum
issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.issybird ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
issybird's Avatar
 
Posts: 20,234
Karma: 222235366
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: New England
Device: H2O, Aura One, PW5
I've seen people express the desire that Goodreads ratings were more granular, I.e., allowing for half stars. I think the current system is better, but I acknowledge that for me, a three-star rating covers a lot of ground. It ranges from adequate without major flaws, that is, pretty lukewarmish, to really quite good, but not achieving the level of excellence that four stars requires.

As for Rushdie, I think one factor might be that the book doesn't resonate quite so strongly with non-Americans. The themes are universal, but the setting is quite particular. But in any case, it makes no nevermind to me.
issybird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2015, 08:35 AM   #15
KenMagee
Connoisseur
KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.KenMagee ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
KenMagee's Avatar
 
Posts: 69
Karma: 2231728
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Ireland
Device: Kindle Fire
Quote:
Originally Posted by issybird View Post
As for Rushdie, I think one factor might be that the book doesn't resonate quite so strongly with non-Americans. The themes are universal, but the setting is quite particular. But in any case, it makes no nevermind to me.
I love the expression 'it makes no nevermind to me', although I first heard it as 'it don't make no nevermind'. Either way, it neatly sums up my feeling about the Salman Rushdie review.
KenMagee is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
To Kill a Mockingbird Sequel darryl News 2 02-04-2015 01:21 AM
To Kill a Mockingbird Kieran Seymour Deals and Resources (No Self-Promotion or Affiliate Links) 5 07-12-2014 07:56 PM
To Kill a Mockingbird: Official ebook release amjbrown News 76 07-10-2014 01:17 PM
MobileRead September 2013 Discussion: The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie (spoilers) WT Sharpe Book Clubs 15 09-29-2013 08:29 AM
Salman Rushdie Knighted HarryT Sony Reader 6 06-20-2007 07:05 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:01 PM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.