12-15-2012, 12:17 PM | #31 |
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[QUOTE=dkperez;2342506]So, just to make sure I understand this correctly, the solution to the publisher/library problem is for publishers to make the books available to libraries at competitive prices, but to make it difficult for library patrons to GET those books by requiring that they physically get them...
So, with paper books I put a 40 or 50 on reserve, and the library transfers a bunch from wherever they are, and I go in and pick up a dozen or so and I'm good for 3 weeks... BUT, with e-books I can have all of FIVE, yes FIVE lousy titles on reserve, and they dribble in at random intervals so I'm running to the library to get one lousy title? Yeah, that's a system that'll REALLY endear me to the publishers for coming up with something that stupid... [QUOTE=dkperez;2342506] Yes, only 5 books on hold, and my Overdrive library allows only 4 books checked out at a time, so I would have to make a lot of trips to the library. Also, my local library has limited parking and it's hard enough to find a spot there now. Maybe they could open a drive-through for checking out ebooks Plus, not everybody lives close to a library. Sure, for me it's a 5-minute drive, but what about people who live farther away? |
12-15-2012, 12:23 PM | #32 |
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No thanks, Kenny, I have better things to do with my time. If you don't know the correct meaning of the word "intangible", the loss is yours, not mine. I'd recommend investing in a decent dictionary. I'm partial to the excellent "Shorter Oxford Dictionary" myself.
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12-15-2012, 12:34 PM | #33 |
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Your choice Harry. Many people make wrong choices. I'm just trying to help.
It's not me that has an issue with words. Now can we get back to the topic at hand and drop the personal attacks. Which btw are supposed to be inappropriate here, particularly by moderators. Much like the subject of this thread, you are fighting the wrong war. Try a bit harder please. |
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BTW if "tangible" is going to cause a problem then substitute the word "Physical" it's roughly the same the way I'm using it. Quote:
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Also if the file is "a set of physical changes on a storage medium" then what does it mean to own that? Also if it's a discrete object then the thing you own is only the set of changes on that one particular medium isn't it? Or if not then at what point does it stop being "your" object? When you've made your first copy? Your fifth? Thousandth? Remember we're talking about libraries and we're told they should just stop worrying about licenses and realise that they "own" the ebooks they paid for. If this means making copies is OK then they're going to make lots of copies for all the people they want to lend to. Quote:
Here's the thing, people keep saying, some quite emphatically, that they "own" their ebooks and did not license them. However as well as the fact that this flies in the face of existing law, it's also not clear what it means. I know what it means to own a physical object. I know what it means to own the copyright to a creative work. Owning a file in the way talked about seems to be neither one nor the other. It's not the same as owning a physical object because it doesn't have the same inherent limitations. It's not the same as owning the copyright because people who say this are always quick to disown "illegal copying" or "pirating" or whatever. As far as I can tell what "I own this file" means is "I have a set of rights over this material that I get to define not the copyright owner. I get to decide if I can back it up, share it, lend it and so on. I get to do that because that's what owning means." Unfortunately that's not a position that's defensible in current law. Which is why you don't see libraries ignoring the law and lending willy nilly regardless of the licensing terms. |
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