It's not a real touch-screen

Charbax · 10-10-2008, 03:03 AM

It doesn't look like it is possible to just write in annotations like on the iRex Iliad. The touch-screen simply does not seem to be able to support the precision required. That's really too bad. Cause typing on an e-ink is a painful process. They should then at least provide an external Bluetooth or USB foldable keyboard to enter text.

Swiping your finger on the screen to turn pages I think is only a gimmick and I think it would quickly become old. Having large next page and previous page buttons on the side is I think more usable.

Another thing I think is too bad is that it has no WiFi, no HSDPA, thus not usable for easilly getting content from the Internet on the device like with the Kindle.

HarryT · 10-10-2008, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Charbax

It doesn't look like it is possible to just write in annotations like on the iRex Iliad. The touch-screen simply does not seem to be able to support the precision required. That's really too bad. Cause typing on an e-ink is a painful process. They should then at least provide an external Bluetooth or USB foldable keyboard to enter text.

Yes, we know this. That's because it uses a capacitive touch screen, not an inductive one like the iLiad uses. The advantage of a capacitive screen is that it can be used with the finger, whereas with the iLiad you have to use the special stylus. It also uses no power, whereas, as you know if you've used an iLiad, the touch screen on that is a real "battery hog" - use the annotation feature continually and you halve the battery life.

Charbax · 10-10-2008, 04:12 AM

Yup, I guess they should invent a Wacom that only uses power when the stylus is in contact with the surface, no need to be "ready" all the time or "activated" all the time waiting for the touch.. Perhaps I don't make sense.

But I would really like a 5" (pocketable) or 6.7" e-reader with a wacom or similar touch-screen for real and full annotations support.. and wireless..

Dylrob · 10-14-2008, 02:28 AM

The problem is that Wacoms have to generate a small static field to power the stylus. This is how they avoid the need for batteries in the stylus in similar technologies.

I wonder if that pressure sensor technology PVI announced awhile back uses much power while idle?

NatCh · 10-14-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Charbax

Yup, I guess they should invent a Wacom that only uses power when the stylus is in contact with the surface, no need to be "ready" all the time or "activated" all the time waiting for the touch.

I don't think that's possible -- I think it needs to use some power to be able to detect the touch. Even if you mounted pressure sensors under the display to turn on the main sensor, you'd have to power those somehow.

mitchelln · 10-15-2008, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Charbax

Another thing I think is too bad is that it has no WiFi, no HSDPA, thus not usable for easilly getting content from the Internet on the device like with the Kindle.

Well, it's not that simple with a Kindle is it? In fact it is impossible outside the US

At least you can just copy the file straight onto an SD or Memory stick with the Sony. Or copy via USB. No mucking about with emailing and downloading.

The touch screen seems like a good idea to me. You can search using the on screen keyboard now, which you couldn't do with the 505 which is a real pain when you have hundreds of books. Okay, the slow refresh rate makes typing interesting, but fine for searching.

The 700 is an eBook reader with huge battery life, not an Internet tablet. I think it performs admirably in this task. Expensive though.

pilotbob · 10-15-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mitchelln

Well, it's not that simple with a Kindle is it? In fact it is impossible outside the US

At least you can just copy the file straight onto an SD or Memory stick with the Sony. Or copy via USB. No mucking about with emailing and downloading.

You do know you can do that with Kindle too, right?

BOb

NatCh · 10-15-2008, 10:45 AM

Though perhaps not with Kindle 2 -- aren't they removing the card slot?

pilotbob · 10-15-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

Though perhaps not with Kindle 2 -- aren't they removing the card slot?

No one knows anything about Kindle 2, what it will or will not have or look like. Even if they did remove the SD card I'm pretty sure it will retain USB connector. The rumors of the $700 MacBook were supposed to be pretty strong too... and that turned out wrong.

BOb

NatCh · 10-15-2008, 11:01 AM

So ... I'm guessing you're in the "these photos are fakes" camp then?

pilotbob · 10-15-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

So ... I'm guessing you're in the "these photos are fakes" camp then?

Strongly, yes.

BOb

RickyMaveety · 10-15-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

So ... I'm guessing you're in the "these photos are fakes" camp then?

Me too ... I don't give those photos any credence. I'll wait until something is actually announced formally or on the market before I form any opinions.

And .... really (?) the poster below doesn't know that you can copy files right on to the Kindle?? Seriously uninformed.

NatCh · 10-15-2008, 12:52 PM

Well, this is a good place to get informed, after all.

mitchelln · 10-16-2008, 04:35 AM

and informed I am! Great site this

I went for the Sony 505 because there's still no sign of the Kindle (2) hitting the UK.

NatCh · 10-16-2008, 10:15 AM

Good for you, mitchelln! I'm glad you found something that works for you.

10-10-2008, 03:03 AM	#1
Charbax Addict Posts: 203 Karma: 550683 Join Date: Mar 2007	It's not a real touch-screen It doesn't look like it is possible to just write in annotations like on the iRex Iliad. The touch-screen simply does not seem to be able to support the precision required. That's really too bad. Cause typing on an e-ink is a painful process. They should then at least provide an external Bluetooth or USB foldable keyboard to enter text. Swiping your finger on the screen to turn pages I think is only a gimmick and I think it would quickly become old. Having large next page and previous page buttons on the side is I think more usable. Another thing I think is too bad is that it has no WiFi, no HSDPA, thus not usable for easilly getting content from the Internet on the device like with the Kindle.

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10-10-2008, 04:12 AM	#3
Charbax Addict Posts: 203 Karma: 550683 Join Date: Mar 2007	Yup, I guess they should invent a Wacom that only uses power when the stylus is in contact with the surface, no need to be "ready" all the time or "activated" all the time waiting for the touch.. Perhaps I don't make sense. But I would really like a 5" (pocketable) or 6.7" e-reader with a wacom or similar touch-screen for real and full annotations support.. and wireless..

10-14-2008, 02:28 AM	#4
Dylrob Murderous Mustela Posts: 10,141 Karma: 47366760 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The other land of schnitzel and beer Device: iPad M1 Pro, Kindle Paperwhite	The problem is that Wacoms have to generate a small static field to power the stylus. This is how they avoid the need for batteries in the stylus in similar technologies. I wonder if that pressure sensor technology PVI announced awhile back uses much power while idle?

10-15-2008, 10:45 AM	#8
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Though perhaps not with Kindle 2 -- aren't they removing the card slot?

10-15-2008, 11:01 AM	#10
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	So ... I'm guessing you're in the "these photos are fakes" camp then?

10-15-2008, 12:52 PM	#13
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Well, this is a good place to get informed, after all.

10-16-2008, 04:35 AM	#14
mitchelln Enthusiast Posts: 46 Karma: 10 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London, UK Device: Sony PRS-505, Sony PRS-650, Sony PRS-T1	and informed I am! Great site this I went for the Sony 505 because there's still no sign of the Kindle (2) hitting the UK.

10-16-2008, 10:15 AM	#15
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Good for you, mitchelln! I'm glad you found something that works for you.

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