reMarkable - innovative eInk

leebase · 06-19-2019, 08:43 PM

https://remarkable.com/?utm_medium=s...9d7732996179c1

This is the type of innovation we were seeing 10 years ago and I’ve wondered where such devices went

John F · 06-20-2019, 06:14 AM

Is this the same Remarkable talked about here:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...ght=remarkable

leebase · 06-20-2019, 09:51 AM

Thanks. I looked on the first page of news before posting...

This product seems to be a rough first draft (according to a review), but it represents the type of innovations we used to see promises of years ago, but never saw truly delivered.

leebase · 06-20-2019, 09:56 AM

Holy carp...that thread is three years old. I was responding to a facebook add touting the device for sale now.

Has it been on the market for 3 years? Anybody buy one? Their website says 50,000 have been sold. Wonder if that's enough to keep them in business.

It's priced like an iPad. Is that too much? Since I like iPad's, it's definitely too much for me. It seems to be aimed at the "I take a lot of hand written notes, but wish they were computerized" crowd.

John F · 06-20-2019, 01:48 PM

And in case you missed it, Sony's version of a business e-reader:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=285374

rcentros · 06-20-2019, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F

And in case you missed it, Sony's version of a business e-reader:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=285374

This is the second generation of the Sony ones, I think.

A U.S. seller ...

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/searc...op+Nav-Search=

More expensive than the ReMarkable, however (but 13" vs 10"). The Sony has a flexible substrate (like a Forma). I'm guessing the ReMarkable probably does also (it does).

rcentros · 06-20-2019, 03:27 PM

Accidentally posted twice. Sorry.

Philippe D. · 06-26-2019, 02:29 AM

I have a reMarkable - ordered it some time before release (about two years ago), and have been using it regularly ever since.

I originally bought it to read and occasionally annotate PDFs, but what I end up using it for most of the time is taking notes. Writing on it is very comfortable, very similar to real paper. It's a notebook that I never lose and never goes out of pages. Reading PDFs is very nice as well - the display is a little smaller than full pages, even with some margins cropped, so small fonts are not 100% easy to read for my ageing eyes.

After about 20 months of use, it's still working great. No signs of wear, no technical problems. I've been using up pen nibs faster than I expected, I've had to order more - the original pack of 10 is gone.

The reMarkable hardware is great; the software is a little behind, though it's improving - there have been several firmware updates. One is still supposed to be coming, they've pulled it twice over security problems. IMHO it's still missing important features, like the ability to copy/paste between pages and between documents (right now you can only C/P within a single page), and the ability to manages pages (copy, add, delete, whatever - this one was coming in the pulled update, so I'm still expecting it).

Overall, it's a device I use a lot in my everyday work, and I recommend it if you have this kind of usage in mind. Oh, and if you can go without a front light; if you want one Onyx has a 10" device with light, but I haven't tried it (ordered one as a present for my wife, but her birthday is still some days away).

Shinra tensei · 07-07-2019, 09:40 AM

I have bought both a Remarkable and a Sony DPT-PR1 (and DPT-S1 too; I really love professional e-reader). I have to say that in general Sony DPT is, in my opinion, a better device than Remarkable e-reader: wider, with very good touch interface, good software... Nevertheless Remarkable is a very good product: software side is improving with frequent updates, and for writing is really better than Sony DPT-PR1.

Philippe D. · 07-07-2019, 05:23 PM

I might have bought a Sony device, if it was not that closed. Right now I don't have a Windows-equipped PC (or a MacOS device - only Linux), so I could not transfer anything to the Sony line of devices.

FlyHero · 07-07-2019, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philippe D.

I might have bought a Sony device, if it was not that closed. Right now I don't have a Windows-equipped PC (or a MacOS device - only Linux), so I could not transfer anything to the Sony line of devices.

Philippe what is the reading experience like compared to other devices you have used? It's bigger and a lot more expensive than I like but I am looking for a larger, clear, unlit reader. How is the display color/contrast, font management, touch responsiveness etc?

Philippe D. · 07-09-2019, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hap124

Philippe what is the reading experience like compared to other devices you have used? It's bigger and a lot more expensive than I like but I am looking for a larger, clear, unlit reader. How is the display color/contrast, font management, touch responsiveness etc?

I have no idea - I never got to try one. From the described specs of the software, it's not a device I would consider using.

But for some of your questions - IIRC, the Sony devices only work with PDF. So there should not be any choice of fonts - the document specifies its fonts.

TheMadBrewer · 07-13-2019, 01:45 AM

I bought a reMarkable a couple of years ago (a little less). I still like it and use it for taking notes and also for viewing "reference type" PDFs (manuals, technical books, etc) -- primarily because of the larger display.

I had hoped to use it as an eReader (for general books) but that didn't work as well as I hoped. It is large enough that I had trouble reading with it unless sitting up (no stretched out on the couch or in bed). The lack of a lighted display made it hard in some situations as well. The first version of the ePub reader software had issues as well. It would often forget were I was in the book when I came back a day or so later. So I stopped using it as an eReader.

The updates have fixed a bit of that but it is clear that the eReader software is really an add on, not their primary focus. Kindle/Kobo/etc are primarily eReaders so they damn well better do that well.

So view it as a note taker, reference reader and it is fine. It is kind of like reading on my old Palm Pilot -- you could do it but it wasn't great.

06-19-2019, 08:43 PM	#1
leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,932 Karma: 26616647 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	reMarkable - innovative eInk https://remarkable.com/?utm_medium=s...9d7732996179c1 This is the type of innovation we were seeing 10 years ago and I’ve wondered where such devices went

07-07-2019, 09:40 AM	#9
Shinra tensei Connoisseur Posts: 68 Karma: 116806 Join Date: Mar 2011 Device: Sony DPT-s1, Pocketbook 903, Onyx M90, iPad 4	I have bought both a Remarkable and a Sony DPT-PR1 (and DPT-S1 too; I really love professional e-reader). I have to say that in general Sony DPT is, in my opinion, a better device than Remarkable e-reader: wider, with very good touch interface, good software... Nevertheless Remarkable is a very good product: software side is improving with frequent updates, and for writing is really better than Sony DPT-PR1. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Shinra tensei; 07-07-2019 at 10:04 AM.

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06-20-2019, 06:14 AM	#2
John F Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,156 Karma: 63764653 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Kobo Glo HD	Is this the same Remarkable talked about here: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...ght=remarkable

06-20-2019, 09:51 AM	#3
leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,932 Karma: 26616647 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	Thanks. I looked on the first page of news before posting... This product seems to be a rough first draft (according to a review), but it represents the type of innovations we used to see promises of years ago, but never saw truly delivered.

06-20-2019, 09:56 AM	#4
leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,932 Karma: 26616647 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	Holy carp...that thread is three years old. I was responding to a facebook add touting the device for sale now. Has it been on the market for 3 years? Anybody buy one? Their website says 50,000 have been sold. Wonder if that's enough to keep them in business. It's priced like an iPad. Is that too much? Since I like iPad's, it's definitely too much for me. It seems to be aimed at the "I take a lot of hand written notes, but wish they were computerized" crowd.

06-20-2019, 01:48 PM	#5
John F Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,156 Karma: 63764653 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Kobo Glo HD	And in case you missed it, Sony's version of a business e-reader: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=285374

06-20-2019, 03:27 PM	#7
rcentros eReader Wrangler Posts: 7,433 Karma: 48453105 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Boise, ID Device: PB HD3, GL3, Tolino Vision 4, Voyage, Clara HD	Accidentally posted twice. Sorry.

06-26-2019, 02:29 AM	#8
Philippe D. Addict Posts: 276 Karma: 3600000 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: France Device: Kobo Aura H2o; reMarkable; Onyx Max 2 Pro	I have a reMarkable - ordered it some time before release (about two years ago), and have been using it regularly ever since. I originally bought it to read and occasionally annotate PDFs, but what I end up using it for most of the time is taking notes. Writing on it is very comfortable, very similar to real paper. It's a notebook that I never lose and never goes out of pages. Reading PDFs is very nice as well - the display is a little smaller than full pages, even with some margins cropped, so small fonts are not 100% easy to read for my ageing eyes. After about 20 months of use, it's still working great. No signs of wear, no technical problems. I've been using up pen nibs faster than I expected, I've had to order more - the original pack of 10 is gone. The reMarkable hardware is great; the software is a little behind, though it's improving - there have been several firmware updates. One is still supposed to be coming, they've pulled it twice over security problems. IMHO it's still missing important features, like the ability to copy/paste between pages and between documents (right now you can only C/P within a single page), and the ability to manages pages (copy, add, delete, whatever - this one was coming in the pulled update, so I'm still expecting it). Overall, it's a device I use a lot in my everyday work, and I recommend it if you have this kind of usage in mind. Oh, and if you can go without a front light; if you want one Onyx has a 10" device with light, but I haven't tried it (ordered one as a present for my wife, but her birthday is still some days away).

07-07-2019, 05:23 PM	#10
Philippe D. Addict Posts: 276 Karma: 3600000 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: France Device: Kobo Aura H2o; reMarkable; Onyx Max 2 Pro	I might have bought a Sony device, if it was not that closed. Right now I don't have a Windows-equipped PC (or a MacOS device - only Linux), so I could not transfer anything to the Sony line of devices.

07-13-2019, 01:45 AM	#13
TheMadBrewer Connoisseur Posts: 50 Karma: 145210 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles Device: Kobo Aura Limited Edition, Kindle Voyager.	I bought a reMarkable a couple of years ago (a little less). I still like it and use it for taking notes and also for viewing "reference type" PDFs (manuals, technical books, etc) -- primarily because of the larger display. I had hoped to use it as an eReader (for general books) but that didn't work as well as I hoped. It is large enough that I had trouble reading with it unless sitting up (no stretched out on the couch or in bed). The lack of a lighted display made it hard in some situations as well. The first version of the ePub reader software had issues as well. It would often forget were I was in the book when I came back a day or so later. So I stopped using it as an eReader. The updates have fixed a bit of that but it is clear that the eReader software is really an add on, not their primary focus. Kindle/Kobo/etc are primarily eReaders so they damn well better do that well. So view it as a note taker, reference reader and it is fine. It is kind of like reading on my old Palm Pilot -- you could do it but it wasn't great.

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