e-Book Tools - a Word add-in - Page 47

BetterRed · 04-19-2019, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonatus

No, there is no popup at all, and therefore no option of jumping to any option. Whether I add a quotation, remove it or do anything, doesn't matter.

So it looks like the problem is not related to the quotation at the top of the poem.

@Toxaris - Shortly after you added the Mark Words feature I recall getting a problem if I had 'colour marked' words in the text when I started Dialogue Check.

I can't recall all the symptoms: the <> replacements for single quotes weren't removed, and the View wasn't returned to Print Layout. Rather than trying to fix manually, I restored the previous day's version of the DOCX from nightly backup.

I did not do any tests to confirm the 'colour marks' were the source of the problem - but when I ran DC on the restored text after clearing the 'colour marks' I didn't have the problem. It has only happened once, because I now clear any residual 'colour marks' before I run Dialogue Check, I have a macro to do it, and it's in my copy edit checklist. I use DC towards the end of my copy edit workflow, by then any residual 'colour marks' should have long gone.

BR

Toxaris · 04-20-2019, 03:37 AM

The colors don't have any impact. In fact, colors are also used to indicate page changes in the original document (if you use the post-OCR routine). The only thing that might cause a popup not to appear, is if the routine is aborted due to an error or exception.

@Leonatus, could you sent me the document that gives this issue? The log will probably not help in this case, as in this version it is still very limited. Could you also try another document?

Leonatus · 04-22-2019, 08:17 AM

PM has been sent! Sorry for the delay!
Trial with other documents had no different result. Perhaps should I mention, that Word seems to have a problem with the add-in, for it is mostly deactivated when I start Word.

Hitch · 04-22-2019, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonatus

PM has been sent! Sorry for the delay!
Trial with other documents had no different result. Perhaps should I mention, that Word seems to have a problem with the add-in, for it is mostly deactivated when I start Word.

Welcome to the club. It's ALWAYS deactivated for me. Drives me insane. I think that BetterRed figured out a way to fix that, though? Somewhere on this thread? Red, you out there?

Hitch

Leonatus · 04-22-2019, 10:10 AM

For information only: I created an epub nevertheless and, as a workaround for the problem with the Check Dialogue feature, I found that for finding superfluous closing double angle quotes or opening quotes with no corresponding closing quotes this regex would generally work:

Code:

«[^»]*[«]

Toxaris · 04-22-2019, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitch

Welcome to the club. It's ALWAYS deactivated for me. Drives me insane. I think that BetterRed figured out a way to fix that, though? Somewhere on this thread? Red, you out there?

Hitch

I changed quite a lot in the new version (only import epub left to do and a lot of testing) that might also help in this regards. It should be more robust in many ways.

Toxaris · 04-22-2019, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonatus

For information only: I created an epub nevertheless and, as a workaround for the problem with the Check Dialogue feature, I found that for finding superfluous closing double angle quotes or opening quotes with no corresponding closing quotes this regex would generally work:

Code:

«[^»]*[«]

If the quotes you are using are double angles, that might work, but only for those. I will run your file through the debugger tonight.

BetterRed · 04-22-2019, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitch

Welcome to the club. It's ALWAYS deactivated for me. Drives me insane. I think that BetterRed figured out a way to fix that, though? Somewhere on this thread? Red, you out there?

See post 663 and following dozen or so posts.

What I discovered is that for me at least, ePUBTools disappears less often (muchly) with Office 365, and can be reinstated simply by restarting Word. I am uncertain if this is also true of vanilla Word 2016 as I only used it for a short while before moving to Office 365 - theoretically it should.

Prior to switching to Office 365, the disappearance of ePUBTools was always intermittent for me. Typically it would stick around for a few days/weeks and then for no apparent reason disappear - it was not updates to Word. This was true on Word 2007 and 2010 (I skipped 2013), and it always necessitated uninstall/reinstall of the addin, poking around in Options->Add-ins was a waste of time. Uninstall/reinstall left the settings in place which made it relatively painless.

I use a 'tweak' that Toxaris added at my request, the environment variable setting TOX_EPUBTOOLS_MONITORING=0 seems to make a difference to the add-in going AWOL - but I can't explain why that should be.

I use three other 3rd party COM add-ins, one of which has disappeared very, very occasionally (maybe 3 times in a decade), and restarting Word has always reinstated it; I can't recall the other two ever disappearing.

BR

Toxaris · 04-23-2019, 03:03 PM

FYI, the monitoring part is completely gone in the new version. There is no need for it anymore, so I took it out.

BetterRed · 04-25-2019, 10:45 PM

I seem to have run up against the same issue recently reported by Leonatus. Dialogue Checker stops in upwards pass with keyboard focus in text but no apparent error and more importantly no dialogue box, with a "Return to procedure" button.

It is a 100,000 word document with a lot of dialogue. I tried cutting it in two - ran into the same problem on both halves

Win10 1809 and Word 365

BR

BetterRed · 04-26-2019, 02:22 AM

I did two things:

looked to see if there were any Office updates, which there were so I'm now on Word Version 1903 (Build 11425.20244)
checked my DC settings to make sure I hadn't inadvertently butchered them when I looked at them last week, which I hadn't. But I noticed the additional delimiter options -- [] () {}<> -- were checked, which wasn't necessary in the context of the book I was editing, so i unchecked them. But if you look at what I posted in 684 you'll see they were checked then. My guess is that they've always been checked.

I ran DC again - same result. But something else happened too - Firefox terminated, and when I started it, it did a 'post-crash restart' i.e. it restored the tabs I had open. That happened on the first DC run, reported in previous post. But I didn't connect the dots because I didn't notice Firefox had crashed until after I had updated Office and made the changes to DC settings. My initial reaction was "that Office Update took out Firefox".

So, after restarting firefox I reopened the DOCX and ran DC again - guess what, it 'wedged' again, and Firefox crashed again. So, I left Firefox in its crashed state, reopened the DOCX and ran DC again - guess what, it ran through to the end, including a popup for a multi para quoted speech.

I'm about to try it again but I'll close Firefox first.

BR

BetterRed · 04-26-2019, 03:47 AM

Darn - plot thickens, I suspect its graphics card/driver related - this time instead of killing Firefox the Dialogue Checker shut down my display and I had to reinstall video drivers.

Also discovered I can't run Office 365 in Windows Safe Mode, even with network enabled. Have to use something else it seems.

@Toxaris - did you come to any conclusion on Leonatus' problem, I think he worked around the issue with S&R.

I'm off to run DC on some DOCXs on which I have already run it before OK.

BR

BetterRed · 04-26-2019, 05:38 AM

fWell size has something to do with it. I did a couple of things, turned of everything to do with proofing, removed a couple of Onenote related addins I don't use - one of which was Italian that I assume came with an Italian dictionary.

The 100,000 word document with a lot of dialogue eventually took 13 minutes to finish - there was only one error, whereas a 50,000 word document of with lots of dialogue took 2 minutes - i.e. six times longer to process twice as much data. The backward scans seem get really slow on longer documents.

I suspect the instance of DC problems I blamed on 'left behind' colour Marks was an instance of the same problem, and nothing to do with colour marks. I don't want to spend any more time on this because I know there's a new version on the way - unless of course if Toxaris wants me to do any specific tests.

BR

Leonatus · 04-26-2019, 07:49 AM

I don't use Firefox, but MS Edge, and, as far as I noticed, there are no crashes because of running "Check dialogue".
Win 10 32 bit, Office 2013 and - on my other computer - 2016.

Toxaris · 04-26-2019, 03:49 PM

That is strange behavior. I don't make call to any other program at all. Also, this particular routine does not use much memory, as it is heavy depending on the S&R function of Word. It makes sense that larger documents take more time, as there is more text to search through.

I got all the information from Leonatus and will run the debugger tomorrow with his settings. Now, that will be on Win7 with Word 2007. If it works there, I will also run it on Win10 with Office 365.

04-22-2019, 08:17 AM	#693
Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,023 Karma: 10963125 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	PM has been sent! Sorry for the delay! Trial with other documents had no different result. Perhaps should I mention, that Word seems to have a problem with the add-in, for it is mostly deactivated when I start Word. Last edited by Leonatus; 04-22-2019 at 08:22 AM.

04-22-2019, 10:10 AM	#695
Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,023 Karma: 10963125 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	For information only: I created an epub nevertheless and, as a workaround for the problem with the Check Dialogue feature, I found that for finding superfluous closing double angle quotes or opening quotes with no corresponding closing quotes this regex would generally work: Code: «[^»]*[«]

04-26-2019, 02:22 AM	#701
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 20,583 Karma: 26954694 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	I did two things: looked to see if there were any Office updates, which there were so I'm now on Word Version 1903 (Build 11425.20244) checked my DC settings to make sure I hadn't inadvertently butchered them when I looked at them last week, which I hadn't. But I noticed the additional delimiter options -- [] () {}<> -- were checked, which wasn't necessary in the context of the book I was editing, so i unchecked them. But if you look at what I posted in 684 you'll see they were checked then. My guess is that they've always been checked. I ran DC again - same result. But something else happened too - Firefox terminated, and when I started it, it did a 'post-crash restart' i.e. it restored the tabs I had open. That happened on the first DC run, reported in previous post. But I didn't connect the dots because I didn't notice Firefox had crashed until after I had updated Office and made the changes to DC settings. My initial reaction was "that Office Update took out Firefox". So, after restarting firefox I reopened the DOCX and ran DC again - guess what, it 'wedged' again, and Firefox crashed again. So, I left Firefox in its crashed state, reopened the DOCX and ran DC again - guess what, it ran through to the end, including a popup for a multi para quoted speech. I'm about to try it again but I'll close Firefox first. BR

04-26-2019, 05:38 AM	#703
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 20,583 Karma: 26954694 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	fWell size has something to do with it. I did a couple of things, turned of everything to do with proofing, removed a couple of Onenote related addins I don't use - one of which was Italian that I assume came with an Italian dictionary. The 100,000 word document with a lot of dialogue eventually took 13 minutes to finish - there was only one error, whereas a 50,000 word document of with lots of dialogue took 2 minutes - i.e. six times longer to process twice as much data. The backward scans seem get really slow on longer documents. I suspect the instance of DC problems I blamed on 'left behind' colour Marks was an instance of the same problem, and nothing to do with colour marks. I don't want to spend any more time on this because I know there's a new version on the way - unless of course if Toxaris wants me to do any specific tests. BR Last edited by BetterRed; 04-26-2019 at 05:40 AM.

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04-20-2019, 03:37 AM	#692
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	The colors don't have any impact. In fact, colors are also used to indicate page changes in the original document (if you use the post-OCR routine). The only thing that might cause a popup not to appear, is if the routine is aborted due to an error or exception. @Leonatus, could you sent me the document that gives this issue? The log will probably not help in this case, as in this version it is still very limited. Could you also try another document?

04-23-2019, 03:03 PM	#699
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	FYI, the monitoring part is completely gone in the new version. There is no need for it anymore, so I took it out.

04-25-2019, 10:45 PM	#700
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 20,583 Karma: 26954694 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	I seem to have run up against the same issue recently reported by Leonatus. Dialogue Checker stops in upwards pass with keyboard focus in text but no apparent error and more importantly no dialogue box, with a "Return to procedure" button. It is a 100,000 word document with a lot of dialogue. I tried cutting it in two - ran into the same problem on both halves Win10 1809 and Word 365 BR

04-26-2019, 03:47 AM	#702
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 20,583 Karma: 26954694 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	Darn - plot thickens, I suspect its graphics card/driver related - this time instead of killing Firefox the Dialogue Checker shut down my display and I had to reinstall video drivers. Also discovered I can't run Office 365 in Windows Safe Mode, even with network enabled. Have to use something else it seems. @Toxaris - did you come to any conclusion on Leonatus' problem, I think he worked around the issue with S&R. I'm off to run DC on some DOCXs on which I have already run it before OK. BR

04-26-2019, 07:49 AM	#704
Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,023 Karma: 10963125 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	I don't use Firefox, but MS Edge, and, as far as I noticed, there are no crashes because of running "Check dialogue". Win 10 32 bit, Office 2013 and - on my other computer - 2016.

04-26-2019, 03:49 PM	#705
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	That is strange behavior. I don't make call to any other program at all. Also, this particular routine does not use much memory, as it is heavy depending on the S&R function of Word. It makes sense that larger documents take more time, as there is more text to search through. I got all the information from Leonatus and will run the debugger tomorrow with his settings. Now, that will be on Win7 with Word 2007. If it works there, I will also run it on Win10 with Office 365.

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