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Old 06-16-2007, 01:05 PM   #1
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Old 06-16-2007, 07:43 PM   #2
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It should also be noted that sometimes the original book is out of copyright but not a specific translation of that book. This is true for some of the texts used in the Harvard Classics series. Thankfully, all of the translations used there are in the public domain.

Likewise, even if a book is completely out of copyright but is electronically published by a company, they still have the rights to that presentation of the book and it cannot be posted to MobileRead without the permission of the company. We could of course go to Project Gutenberg (as an example), get the same text, convert it to a form for upload at MobileRead, and then upload it to MobileRead without permission from the company that published the other version of the public domain text.
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Old 06-23-2007, 07:32 PM   #3
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It occurs to me that there is another copyright issue too. We probably have copyright in our own editions of lrf books. Some of us have spent a lot of time editing and reformatting them.

I'm entirely happy to post up my own books for other people to use freely for their own use, or to share with others. After all, I got them freely from PG and elsewhere. And I've been using vvv's splendid (and free) Bookdesigner.

But were anyone to download them, then sell them for profit then I would consider my copyright to be infringed. But I may be wrong about this...?
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Old 06-24-2007, 01:50 AM   #4
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If you donate your work as public domain then you have to live with it. anyone can then make a profit from it.
If you do not want this you have to keep your copyright and use a permissive license like one of the Creative Commons licenses.
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Old 06-24-2007, 02:50 AM   #5
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If you donate your work as public domain then you have to live with it. anyone can then make a profit from it.
If you do not want this you have to keep your copyright and use a permissive license like one of the Creative Commons licenses.
I think personally that this is a complete "non issue".

If the posted book contains the PG licence agreement, then that agreement states what can and cannot be done with the book.

If the book doesn't contain the PG licence agreement, then it is protected by copyright law even if you don't put a copyright notice in it, and you have the absolute right to control its distribution and copying.

This applies in every country which is a signatory of the Berne Copyright Convention - ie practically every country in the world.
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Old 06-24-2007, 07:56 AM   #6
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I think Patricia would find it hard to defend her inherent copyright without a copyright statement, or any other mark of identification, present in the work. Moreover, anyone (for fun or profit) can assert that they created Patricia's work, and ask you to remove it from the forum.
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Old 06-24-2007, 08:37 AM   #7
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Oh I agree with you - if you WANT to control distribution it makes sense to put a copyright statement in the book. Technically speaking, however, it is not required, and one could, if challenged, provide evidence such as the source from which the book was created.

However, I think we all create books here specifically to BE re-distributed, so "copyrighting" our work seems a little unnecessary.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:20 AM   #8
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We could always offer the converted books under a Creative Commons copyright. Would that be an option?
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As i said the donor should state the license of the work on upload. Acceptable should only be a Creative Commons license or Public Domain. Alternatively like on LibriVox all donors accept Public Domain by doing the upload.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:27 AM   #10
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Certainly, yes!
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:29 AM   #11
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I don't know if it's easily feasible (from a programming point of view), but we could have something like "This work is protected under a Commons Creative license" automatically show up under each first post in the Upload sections, to prohibit others from selling the work.
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Old 06-24-2007, 09:56 AM   #12
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Moreover, anyone (for fun or profit) can assert that they created Patricia's work, and ask you to remove it from the forum.
Of course the date on the post, which pre-dated their possession of the work they claimed to have created (which they just swiped from here) would tend to dilute such claims a bit.
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May I respectfully suggest you let people protect their works in the way and to the extent they wish, rather than imposing a system. Patricia can insert a copyright statement, or statement of origin, or CC license into her ebook if she likes. I prefer to use a copyright statement, which in my understanding allows the uses I wish to permit (viewing, reading, downloading -- implied by the act of posting) and blocks uses I don't (all others, eg. reposting, republishing, including the work in disk compilations etc.)

I don't really understand NatCh's point. Pardon me for misstating it, if I do, in the interest of having it clarified. He seems to say that it would easy for Patricia to prove that her edition of Villete, marked 05/06/2007 by BD, was not created, say, by me, on May 6th, acquired by her several weeks later, and posted without permission on June 5th.
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Old 06-24-2007, 10:57 AM   #14
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Your copyright in the book will not stop reposting. I've seen the books posted here in Sony format reported on Usenet. So no, just because you say mo, doesn't make it so.
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Your copyright in the book will not stop reposting. I've seen the books posted here in Sony format reported on Usenet. So no, just because you say mo, doesn't make it so.
But the Usenet eBook groups exist primarily for the purpose of distributing illegal, copyrighted material. One can, with the use of appropriate copyright message, prevent more "legitimate" re-distribution by people re-selling one's eBooks.
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