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Old 03-06-2009, 03:18 AM   #121
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You're right - I accidently checked the epub variant.

It took Adobe quite a time to realize it ... I think this censorship will distribute the script even further ...
A DMCA takedown request is not "censorship". It is a legitimate request for removal of illegal materials. Distribution of tools to circumvent DRM is a crime under the DMCA.
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A DMCA takedown request is not "censorship". It is a legitimate request for removal of illegal materials. Distribution of tools to circumvent DRM is a crime under the DMCA.
Well, in the Third Reich being a Jew was a crime.

Thou it doesn't say anything if it is right despite being 'a crime' and is not really an argument for the DMCA.
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A DMCA takedown request is not "censorship". It is a legitimate request for removal of illegal materials. Distribution of tools to circumvent DRM is a crime under the DMCA.
No it is a request to remove some material that IS CLAIMED to fall into a specific category. It is common that DMCA notices is sent as a threat and that they lie about the status of the material they want to be removed.
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No it is a request to remove some material that IS CLAIMED to fall into a specific category. It is common that DMCA notices is sent as a threat and that they lie about the status of the material they want to be removed.
That's as may be, but in this case, this is undeniably a DRM-circumvention tool, and therefore the takedown notice from a US-based server was entirely lawful and appropriate.
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Well, in the Third Reich being a Jew was a crime.

Thou it doesn't say anything if it is right despite being 'a crime' and is not really an argument for the DMCA.
Thats a really stupid comparison.
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That's as may be, but in this case, this is undeniably a DRM-circumvention tool, and therefore the takedown notice from a US-based server was entirely lawful and appropriate.
That has not been tested in court.
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Doesn't matter what you or I think; the owners of the server obviously felt it to be appropriate to remove the material.
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Doesn't matter what you or I think; the owners of the server obviously felt it to be appropriate to remove the material.
The script is still on the server, only the link isn't available anymore ...
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Old 03-06-2009, 10:49 AM   #129
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That's as may be, but in this case, this is undeniably a DRM-circumvention tool, and therefore the takedown notice from a US-based server was entirely lawful and appropriate.
The takedown notice was indeed lawful.

That doesn't mean the content was illegal, only that the copyright owner(s) believed it infringes on their copyright, and were willing to say so in a way that they can be held legally accountable for.

The way DMCA takedown notices work is,
  1. Copyright owner files complaint with ISP or other provider,
  2. Content is removed for 2 weeks,
  3. Content poster has opportunity to object,
  4. If s/he objects, s/he gives name & address to copyright owner, so that copyright owner can file suit
  5. Copyright owner has two weeks to take legal action, otherwise the content goes back up.
Many people don't object, and their content is just removed. Some don't object because they don't understand how it's supposed to work, and some are actually infringing and got caught, and some don't want to give their name & address to the party on the other end (who does NOT have to reveal legal contact info to the individual, only to the ISP/web host).

A DMCA takedown notice, even a legit one, is not an indication of a crime. It's an announcement that someone *thinks* something illegal has happened. Since copyright infringement is a blurry thing, the illegality has to be determined in court.

And there's supposed to be penalties for malicious misuse of DMCA takedowns, which have not been enforced. (Like when the SFWA told Scribd.com to remove hundreds of science fiction stories, claiming they were infringing on copyrights... including stories released under Creative Commons, and stories by authors who had not authorized the SFWA to legally represent them.)
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The takedown notice was indeed lawful.

That doesn't mean the content was illegal, only that the copyright owner(s) believed it infringes on their copyright, and were willing to say so in a way that they can be held legally accountable for.
Do you think this was a "copyright infringement" takedown? I'd have thought it much more likely to be a "this is an DRM-circumvention tool" takedown. I can't see whose copyrights might be infringed by a PERL script.
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I can't see whose copyrights might be infringed by a PERL script.
It's a Python script.
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Apologies - I always get those two mixed up!
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Apologies - I always get those two mixed up!
Well, they couldn't be farer away. Perl was invented by a linguist guy, Python by a mathematician. The have a total different approach and style.

Anyway, that probably won't change that DMCA stuff.
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Well, in the Third Reich being a Jew was a crime.
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Apologies - I always get those two mixed up!
There's an uncomfortable number of people in the world that would react very badly to such a faux pas.
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They both start in "P" and I don't use either. I'm a C++ man, myself.
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