09-22-2013, 11:18 AM | #61 |
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I barely know of the Goodreads website and that it allows users to comment about books. Prior to this notice I haven't visited the site.
But I have to say that regardless of how poorly users (reviewers and authors) were acting, the website did engage in what amounts to censorship by destroying comments without explicit notice of changes to their ToS and their enforcement of it. Previously flagged content deemed to be questionable and/or offensive was (apparently) seldomly removed. So to start enforcing the ToS and removing this material without prior notice was disruptive to the users. Goodreads should have updated their ToS, announced the change - including mentioning previously flagged material was on the chopping block if not edited to comply with guidelines - and provided a deadline for when the rigorous enforcement of the ToS would begin. That would have been fair. If the user owns the copyright on the material and someone else comes by and destroys it, that isn't right. And while the user should have had a copy elsewhere we've all suffered catastrophic failures without back-ups. Thus my statement that Goodreads has been censorious. Yes it is Goodreads' website and yes, ultimately, things will be done Goodreads' way. Goodreads could have, and as a social media service it should have known that, anything but a graceful change was going to generate hostility, disruption and deserters. |
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A lot of them seem to be about the writer's own character rather than the books they wrote. That's even more useless from a reader's perspective. |
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In the conventional publishing world (where the soon-to-be famous are often selected from MFA programs at prestigious universities before they've even written a novel), the machinery of fame is set up to be unforgiving and most new authors learn quickly enough not to reply to reviewers at all lest they find themselves shut out of publications and even offices that would have welcomed them before. Publishing responses in which one picks apart a bad newspaper review can be an easy way to find oneself locked out of that paper in the future and branded as difficult by anyone who's aware of that activity. More established writers might decide to respond occasionally, but their careers are already in place and, most of the time, they know it's better to let posterity answer perishable reviews. Unfortunately, that lesson of enforced self-restraint isn't taught immediately and emphatically in the world of internet self-publishing. Still, wise writers learn to understand it early on. Quote:
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"Zimmerman coverage had lynch-mob feel" "Journalism and the Lynch-Mob Mentality" All of which means that (i) while your argument is well served when you differentiate between the behavior you feel is being targeted by Goodreads and that of a metaphorical lynch mob (as commonly referred to in journalism), (ii) your cause is not served by the suggestion that people who disagree with you are making specific comparisons between your internet behavior and the real-life crimes of homicidal racists. Similarly, if I use the phrase "found guilty beyond the shadow of a doubt" to describe a jury's decision, it doesn't actually mean there were no shadows in the courtroom when the verdict was being read. Someone else cited the image of a mob of villagers with torches (perhaps going after Dr. Frankenstein). That's precisely the metaphorical scenario which journalists most often intend to imply. My point was this: Personal grudges are no reason to threaten someone else's livelihood en masse through insulting threads, comments and reviews any more than it is right for an author to harass a reviewer by posting personal and private information about their lives. Goodreads has every reason not to tolerate either kind of behavior. If an author can be shown by the evidence to have harassed someone in the manner you've suggested, then the author should be banned from the site and members should insist on this. But it should be clear at this point that Goodreads isn't the place to warn others about "authors behaving badly" even if it seemed to be such a place in the past. It's sounds as though the site is in the process of being the book review and reader's site it was intended to be originally and nothing more community-political than that. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 09-22-2013 at 10:13 PM. |
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09-22-2013, 03:31 PM | #64 |
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I'm puzzled by the expression 'author behaviour' - do they mean author's spamming groups? In which case, full power to GR.
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09-22-2013, 04:24 PM | #65 | |
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The measures taken by GR don't do anything to authors that decide to go after people who left negative book reviews but stop the reviewers from warning others about them. |
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09-22-2013, 05:26 PM | #66 | |
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There never was any inherent right to post reviews without fear of any sort of comment by its creator. Nor was there any inherent right (or indeed a need in my eyes) for members to form their own inhouse, watchdog-service charged with issuing a million, one-person, snap-judgments on what qualifies as "author behaving badly" for the purpose of "warning" all other users (through the use of ridiculously unwieldy, overly-accusatory, and largely irrelevant shelf titles). Use the built-in private messaging feature if you think your friends need warned about someone ... or report abusive behavior to someone who has been charged with the authority to do something about it. |
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09-22-2013, 07:10 PM | #68 |
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I've never felt the need to report an author before. So you'd probably be better off asking someone who has. My point was that you seemed to be painting a picture where GoodReads authors are free to behave in any way they want with absolutely no repercussions ... and that a user's only means of protecting themselves from angry authors (or authors who espouse views they deem reprehensible) is to create shelf-titles that have nothing to do with the books they contain or to use book reviews to review people.
I don't find that to be an accurate picture at all. Last edited by DiapDealer; 09-22-2013 at 08:23 PM. |
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I'm somewhat confused by the Review Guidelines which are linked to in the announcement of the change in policy.
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09-23-2013, 12:41 AM | #71 |
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I support the changes. The site should be about reviewing books not the writers. One can always search out the internet elsewhere or whatever if they feel the need to background writers.c
Also the title of this thread should be changed. This is not censorship. The purpose of the site remains unchanged. Reviewing books. These latest guidelines are more akin to pruning. Last edited by OldDarth; 09-23-2013 at 12:44 AM. |
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I'm sure it's not too difficult for you to insert authors into the "fans" or "anti-fans" side of the equation if you really think about it. I'm just not choosing to give them a privileged position in the particular argument that was being made at the time.
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I do have some sympathy for what I think Goodreads might be trying to achieve, but very little for how they have done it. |
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09-23-2013, 05:24 AM | #75 |
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Since authors have different rules you can't just 'insert authors into the "fans" or "anti-fans" side of the equation'.
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