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I'm sure people will keep looking for new exploits, but who knows if/when the next one will be found. In the meantime, Amazon might release more updates, and then you might have to choose between keeping your jailbreak or updating for more features. |
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Yes, they are. It's not always for the reasons folks think, but it still isn't what many would consider a good reason.
Security is a tricky business, especially when we have more networked devices than ever before. The Kindle itself is a networked device. The same security holes that enable jailbreaking, are security holes that can be used for malicious reasons as well. So a developer who is security minded needs to close remote execution holes at a minimum. DRM is another issue, as insecurities in the device give other avenues of attack on the DRM scheme. Many companies have service agreements with content owners saying how quickly the manufacturer will fix security flaws in their devices and/or DRM. Usually if they don't, there is some sort of penalty (Apple's agreement with music providers seemed to indicate they could pull their entire catalogs from iTunes if Apple didn't fix certain types of holes in X days). So there's contractual obligations to secure their devices in many cases. There's definitely an interesting topic here beneath the surface though. But that's more for another thread. Quote:
The very real reason why this could be bad is actually the very old 1.1 update Apple pushed out for the iPhone. The SIM unlock of the time collided badly with the delta patch of 1.1 and resulted in phones that no longer worked correctly (the baseband was essentially turned into gibberish by having both the unlock and the 1.1 patch applied). So these days, many devices don't do delta updates anymore, or they do limited deltas. There just is no real way to test out all the possible hacks and how they can interfere with an update, so developers have gotten into the habit of making sure hacks/etc can't interfere with the update. The usual result is that it disables all the hacks as part of the upgrade, as a side-effect. Last edited by Kolenka; 11-29-2012 at 05:07 PM. |
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11-29-2012, 08:46 PM | #19 | |
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You're absolutely right, with the latest 5.3.0 update Amazon has shown just how much they really despise and patronize their users. (or, if you prefer the whitewashed option... how Amazon really cares and tries hard to protect you from the gazillions of bad, bad influences coming from outside of the Amazon Ecosphere, by logging and monitoring all of the actions you perform on your Kindle... errrm... oh... of course, that's only to make sure that you get the bestest experience ever!). |
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Keep in mind that folks like ixtab are speculating just like I am here. The outlook I have is a bit different, working at a company that deals with portable devices on the software side. I find the attribution of malice to things that companies do that us tweakers don't like a bit strange. Although I'll admit that trust is hard to earn, and paranoia is a trait that is hard to get rid of. Not that I'm saying we should trust Amazon or any company (a large company at best, is a giant personality disorder that spits out products into a market place). But with all these evil companies, you'd think we were all out to kill our neighbors (and our source of income). Quote:
And I'm also curious, just how many Kindle users even care about the homebrew? Are we a small enough group that Amazon simply doesn't care about us and will do things without any consideration for how it affects homebrew? I know that anyone tech-saavy enough to tweak these devices is in a fairly small minority of users as it is. |
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11-29-2012, 09:23 PM | #21 |
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5.0.x were incremental updates with using of binary pathces. 5.1.0 contained whole new files and just copied them into place. Could you note the pattern? There wasn't 5.2.0 update (just like there wasn't 5.0.0 update). And 5.3.0 just pushing the idea to the extreme and copying whole new filesystem and kernel images over the old ones.
Maybe it was just easier to distribute whole rootfs instead of specific patches/files? But, BTW, expect whole new Kindle going OTA right to you with 5.4.0. |
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Of course, Amazon is improving their product with every version. And of course, they are free to replace the entire system partition with a full image (as they did with the 5.3.0 update). That "full wipe" also had the side effect of removing the jailbreak (which is in fact just a simple key file, allowing to "approve" packages to be installed)... Quote:
Nevertheless, I think that I'm in a better position to judge than you are, simply because I've followed, and had been involved, in the development from the start... So let's take a look at the Kindle Touch / Paperwhite history. BTW, you can follow much of it by simply looking at the Jailbreak section of the Kindle Touch Wiki.
The data.tar.gz/data.stgz "thing" is no threat to them at all. Developers enjoy to play around with their devices and see what they can do - and they might actually come up with actual enhancements. I consider Collections Manager to be much better than what the KT/PW provides, and many people agree. It would have been soooooooo easy for Amazon to keep the Status quo: they could simply overwrite the main partition. Nobody would have complained, and everyone would have been happy, if they had kept the previously existing modding possibilities. But what they did was to overwrite the main partition, AND they explicitly blocked any known method to get access to it again. And they knew exactly what they were doing (heck, they probably wouldn't even have KNOWN about the issues without this forum!). ...Which was a glaring middle finger at the developer community here. So yes, Amazon is reading these forums, and is explicitly shooting at us. Nobody here really wanted this, because we all appreciated Amazon. I don't know why they see us as enemies. Quote:
No, I don't know how much of that log file Amazon really reads or evaluates. I can't control it. Even if they directly throw it away: why on earth are they asking for the log file of everything that I do on my Kindle in the first place? Last edited by ixtab; 11-29-2012 at 11:48 PM. Reason: typo |
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11-30-2012, 02:45 AM | #24 | |
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11-30-2012, 08:00 AM | #25 | |
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I am one of those people who wouldn't know a 'jail-break' if it came up and bit me on the bum. Technically minded I am not. So I am not one who can talk about this with full understanding. Nor do I care to, as all I wish do on my K3 is read. I think, that in general, I represent a majority of the members here. Yes would like a little more control over organising my books, but all in all just want a good e-reader. Which the Kindle is. |
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Anyway, I'm currently looking into how 5.3.0 can be jailbroken. I'm not entirely there yet, but I did find a vector* which requires manual user intervention (interaction ON the device screen), no way to automate it. Would that qualify as "benign and safe enough" for you? If so, would you agree that Amazon should leave that little loophole in? And do you think they will? (*) No, I'm not going to disclose anything right now, no need to ask. |
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