The Logic Of Copyright

Giggleton · 05-08-2011, 09:46 PM

Greetings,

Since many of us are logical fans here's a little something to ponder,

1. No one is in favor of censorship
2. Copyright is censorship
3. Therefore, No one is in favor of copyright

I can see that statement 2 might cause issues so here are definitions for copyright and censorship from the Wiktionary, the dictionary we can all agree upon.

Copyright -The right by law to be the entity which determines who may publish, copy and distribute a piece of writing, music, picture or other work of authorship.

Censorship - The use of state or group power to control freedom of expression, such as passing laws to prevent media from being published or propagated.

As you can read, they are equal, so the logic of the statements above is sound.

jgaiser · 05-08-2011, 09:49 PM

I'm trying to figure out whether you're serious or you're one huge troll. I'm afraid to look under the bridge for fear of what I might find.

Giggleton · 05-08-2011, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgaiser

I'm trying to figure out whether you're serious or you're one huge troll. I'm afraid to look under the bridge for fear of what I might find.

If you believe in logic, you would take the statements for their logical value, and disregard the entity who made the statements.

jgaiser · 05-08-2011, 09:52 PM

That's what I thought. Troll.

Giggleton · 05-08-2011, 09:55 PM

What did you think? Or has the problem been that you have not? We are capable of so much, if only we would realize such.

tubemonkey · 05-08-2011, 09:59 PM

By that definition, I'm in favor of censorship; therefore, logic fail.

elcreative · 05-08-2011, 10:12 PM

Making statements by definition doesn't make them true therefore your syllogism is fatally flawed... Copyright is NOT censorship, it is concerned with IP creators being able to make a living and receive remuneration for their work whereas censorship is concerned with removing IP/creations from anyone's access... not the same...

Giggleton · 05-08-2011, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elcreative

Making statements by definition doesn't make them true therefore your syllogism is fatally flawed... Copyright is NOT censorship, it is concerned with IP creators being able to make a living and receive remuneration for their work whereas censorship is concerned with removing IP/creations from anyone's access... not the same...

We have to agree on definitions, otherwise they are meaningless.

So by your reasoning, you should be able to copy freely anything and everything that you wish? I do this and encourage others to do the same, many people do the same, it would be best if more people did.

elcreative · 05-08-2011, 11:16 PM

Definitely trolling... and I wonder why you're so concerned with books, reading etc when, from your comment below, it's perfectly clear you can't read because that is not what I said... or even implied, that's your view...

of course, you're looking in a mirror again, dazzled by your own brilliance...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giggleton

We have to agree on definitions, otherwise they are meaningless.

So by your reasoning, you should be able to copy freely anything and everything that you wish? I do this and encourage others to do the same, many people do the same, it would be best if more people did.

Giggleton · 05-09-2011, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elcreative

Definitely trolling... and I wonder why you're so concerned with books, reading etc when, from your comment below, it's perfectly clear you can't read because that is not what I said... or even implied, that's your view...

of course, you're looking in a mirror again, dazzled by your own brilliance...

I still don't understand then, you gave a definition of copyright that is dependent on my acceptance of the definition, I do not accept your definition, therefore your definition is meaningless.

The only definition that has any meaning is ONE THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON AND EDIT. I simply listed two words that can for all intents and purposes be used interchangeably by anyone who uses the wiki site...

what is trolling?

Leyor · 05-09-2011, 12:39 AM

Is this a logic quiz?

False syllogism.

Do another

Giggleton · 05-09-2011, 12:50 AM

Just rewording the wiki definitions,

Copyright is a law determining who may copy
Censorship is a law determining what may be copied
Copyright is a subset? of Censorship

I'm not really a fan of logical discourse, I prefer absurd discussion but it does seem to me that sharing more things would be good.

HansTWN · 05-09-2011, 12:53 AM

Copyright = censorship. It was funny at first, but with this constant repetition it is getting old.

Leyor · 05-09-2011, 01:28 AM

Unless you definite the premises better, you could just as easily do a:

Censorship's intent is to suppress information
Copyrights intent is to control ownership and distribution.
Supressing information and controlling ownership of said information are not the same.

Yeah it's bad but it's late

But you need some better premises.

While copyright may lead to censorship, and both might be reprehensive. They are not the same. That'd be an appeal to probability.

Maybe if we try something less ambitious and build on it:

Copyright has traditionally lead to increased costs for consumers
You're a consumer
Copyright leads to increased costs for you.

I'll think of something when I wake up.

wannabee · 05-09-2011, 02:55 AM

you've already done this to death mate. Give it a break.

05-08-2011, 09:46 PM	#1
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	The Logic Of Copyright Greetings, Since many of us are logical fans here's a little something to ponder, 1. No one is in favor of censorship 2. Copyright is censorship 3. Therefore, No one is in favor of copyright I can see that statement 2 might cause issues so here are definitions for copyright and censorship from the Wiktionary, the dictionary we can all agree upon. Copyright -The right by law to be the entity which determines who may publish, copy and distribute a piece of writing, music, picture or other work of authorship. Censorship - The use of state or group power to control freedom of expression, such as passing laws to prevent media from being published or propagated. As you can read, they are equal, so the logic of the statements above is sound.

05-09-2011, 02:55 AM	#15
wannabee Media Bloke Posts: 2,381 Karma: 113956855 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NSW - Australia Device: iOS	you've already done this to death mate. Give it a break. Last edited by wannabee; 05-09-2011 at 02:58 AM.

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05-08-2011, 09:49 PM	#2
jgaiser Omnivorous Posts: 3,281 Karma: 27978909 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rural NW Oregon Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, KPW1	I'm trying to figure out whether you're serious or you're one huge troll. I'm afraid to look under the bridge for fear of what I might find.

05-08-2011, 09:52 PM	#4
jgaiser Omnivorous Posts: 3,281 Karma: 27978909 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Rural NW Oregon Device: Kindle Voyage, Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, KPW1	That's what I thought. Troll.

05-08-2011, 09:55 PM	#5
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	What did you think? Or has the problem been that you have not? We are capable of so much, if only we would realize such.

05-08-2011, 09:59 PM	#6
tubemonkey monkey on the fringe Posts: 45,477 Karma: 158151390 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show	By that definition, I'm in favor of censorship; therefore, logic fail.

05-08-2011, 10:12 PM	#7
elcreative Wizard Posts: 2,888 Karma: 5875940 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: PRS505, 600, 350, 650, Nexus 7, Note III, iPad 4 etc	Making statements by definition doesn't make them true therefore your syllogism is fatally flawed... Copyright is NOT censorship, it is concerned with IP creators being able to make a living and receive remuneration for their work whereas censorship is concerned with removing IP/creations from anyone's access... not the same...

05-09-2011, 12:39 AM	#11
Leyor Ninja Librarian Posts: 179 Karma: 347750 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denmark Device: Sony PRS-950, Cybook 3. gen, Sony T1, Kindle Paperwhite	Is this a logic quiz? False syllogism. Do another

05-09-2011, 12:50 AM	#12
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	Just rewording the wiki definitions, Copyright is a law determining who may copy Censorship is a law determining what may be copied Copyright is a subset? of Censorship I'm not really a fan of logical discourse, I prefer absurd discussion but it does seem to me that sharing more things would be good.

05-09-2011, 12:53 AM	#13
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	Copyright = censorship. It was funny at first, but with this constant repetition it is getting old.

05-09-2011, 01:28 AM	#14
Leyor Ninja Librarian Posts: 179 Karma: 347750 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denmark Device: Sony PRS-950, Cybook 3. gen, Sony T1, Kindle Paperwhite	Unless you definite the premises better, you could just as easily do a: Censorship's intent is to suppress information Copyrights intent is to control ownership and distribution. Supressing information and controlling ownership of said information are not the same. Yeah it's bad but it's late But you need some better premises. While copyright may lead to censorship, and both might be reprehensive. They are not the same. That'd be an appeal to probability. Maybe if we try something less ambitious and build on it: Copyright has traditionally lead to increased costs for consumers You're a consumer Copyright leads to increased costs for you. I'll think of something when I wake up.

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