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Recommend an ePub3 using Bootstrap?
This is probably a dumb question, but can anyone point me towards an ePub3 using Bootstrap?
If you type "Bootstrap" into Amazon's search box, you get books with Bootstrap in the title. I'd like to find an ePub that actually uses Bootstrap. I'd simply like to see what you can do with Bootstrap in an ePub, plus it would be nice to have a book that I can use as a model if I decided to go for it. I asked a question about Bootstrap about a year ago, and it looks like the situation hasn't changed much - it's cutting edge technology that isn't supported by most ePub readers. But I'd like to take a closer look and see what the possibilities are. If I understand correctly, there's a "fallback" feature that minimizes the possibility of an advanced ePub crashing on devices that don't support it. Another possibility is to create two versions of the same book - one for generic ePub readers and a more advanced version for ePub3 readers. The learning curve will probably be steep for me to tackle it, but, again, I'd like to explore some possibilities. Thanks. |
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Wow, that's amazing. I just thought that an army of geeks would be all over this and make it a regular feature. Guess we'll have to wait a few more years.
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Unless/until ePUB moves along to CSS3, and devices have enough power, I just don't see this. BS also needs javascript and jquery. They're going to have to make eReaders phabets/tablets, not eReaders, for that (bootstrap) to have the power it needs, and that, right now, means much heavier devices to read with. I have a plethora of devices, as I have to test on them all--and the lightweight Voyage, an eInk, is still my favorite. Easy on my wrists, hands and eyes. One of the reasons I dislike reading on my iPad is that it's sooooooo heavy, comparatively speaking. More power--but more weight, too. Hitch |
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I think I read about another non-Amazon reader that is CSS3 enabled. The problem is that very few people are currently using these devices. |
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As you see, they're still talking about CSS 2.1. The only CSS3 specifications being addressed are from the speech modules, some font specs (not sure why, when I read what they're using) and a handful--a handful--of layout elements, like line-break, line-last, etc. They are saying, in the spec, that they're supporting multi-column but I haven't seen ANYTHING support CSSMulti-Column. Nothing. I don't even think that Readium or Azardi does, but they might. Which is kinda useless. They're nice readers--but they're not sales platforms, are they? So, is it that you have a specific need for actual bootstrapped columns, rather than using tables, or are you just bored and looking for some trouble to keep you busy? :-) Hitch |
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BTW, the author of the Blitz framework uses Less to generate Kindle and EPUB stylessheets. |
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Anyway...I just don't see bootstrap coming to eReaders anytime soon. I wish it would, for tabular content, but...when you think about it, if you were trying to do something like newspaper columns, oy! That could end up rendering very, very badly, with large font sizes and small screens... If you think about the purpose of Bootstrap--it was originally designed for Twitter, for whatever reason, and then came to encompass websites. It was meant to allow websites to work in such a way that a very wide website, with tons of content, that would be unreadable on a smartphone, could function effectively in "columns," so that it would be readable. eBooks don't really have that problem. I mean, first...they're books. They're not multi-column content spread across a website. Most book content isn't columnar--it's a single, vertical stack column. I can see that Bootstrap would be nice for, say, a coffee-table book that has columnar material. But for now, you have to do fixed-layout and zoom. That's the reality. For most books, though, there is zero need; Bootstrap-type coding wouldn't be needed. If I had to guess, I'd guess we're talking, what, 1-2% of all books, at the absolute most, that might be able to make use of something like Bootstrap? Doits, DNSB, what do you think? Am I underestimating how many books could use Bootstrap? I guess that there are heavy-content textbooks that could use it, possibly, but most of those are a vertical stack, as well. Hitch |
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OTOH, if you ever try to get one of your authors to use Bootstrap, please let us know how it works out. I'm convinced a fairly large percentage of the authors I've had contact with regret the passing of the quill pen* as THE method of writing. OTOH, one named her new kitten after Isaac Newton's possibly apocryphal dog after the young cat decided her laptop keyboard looked like a litter box. Fortunately, the hard drive data was mostly recoverable. * Okay, maybe an electric typewriter. |
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For example, if you go http://politix.geostacks.com/topics/political-system and scroll down to "What is a Political System," note the gear icons on either side of the first paragraph. (The second icon is animated.) They're both fonts, not images. Similarly, if you look at the sidebars @ http://politix.geostacks.com/topics/government you'll see a number of tiny images (including an exclamation point in a triangle) that are fonts. I would find these mini-images tremendously useful in some of my projects. Then again, they aren't wholly dependent on Bootstrap. Does anyone know if there's a way to display such icons in epubs that doesn't require Bootstrap? |
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Even if Bootstrap does make its way into the ePUB spec, it's exceedingly unlikely that the ability to override fonts is going to go away, so, as I said, the issue you're trying to deal with is unrelated to Bootstrap. Sure, the developers of Bootstrap developed an entire group of icons and font-icons, but again...that's sort of night-and-day what we're discussing here. I don't understand or see what you're talking about in the 2nd example. I don't see the "tiny images including exclamation marks," I see a lot of missing characters? Where, exactly, is it that I'm supposed to see that? Can you give me a line of text, where that's happening? Hitch |
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In the meantime, your comment about font overrides solves my problem. It looks like I can't do what I want to do without using images. Thanks. |
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