Need to confirm that sideloaded books can't sync

Shadowplay · 02-28-2011, 11:39 AM

I've looked around and read a few things saying that if you sideload a book to the Kindle it'll read fine of course, but it won't be able to sync to other devices. Is that definitely the case? Is there anyway around this? I've found that I really like the sync feature when going from my Kindle to my android phone and back.

Thanks.

ProfCrash · 02-28-2011, 11:46 AM

I believe that I have read that Mobi2Mobi can somehow be used to set up non-Amazon books so that they can be synched. I have never done it but I believe it is possible.

HarryT · 02-28-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

I believe that I have read that Mobi2Mobi can somehow be used to set up non-Amazon books so that they can be synched. I have never done it but I believe it is possible.

I believe that this capability has been lost with version 3.1 of the Kindle firmware.

Shadowplay · 02-28-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I believe that this capability has been lost with version 3.1 of the Kindle firmware.

Which I updated to already.

Ah well. It's hardly the end of the world, but I'll have to keep an eye out for an updated solution. Thanks guys.

kalex · 02-28-2011, 12:18 PM

No it hasn't. My Kindle3G updated itself to 3.1 and I can still sync the books. How are you prepping your books? Are you using mobi2mobi to add ASIN number and are you using new version of calibre?

DiapDealer · 02-28-2011, 12:42 PM

The only functionality that has been lost with Mobi2Mobi is the ability to modify the TTS Flag and the Clipping Limit on DRM'ed Kindle files. Both of those metadata records are now tied into the DRM. If you change those values WITHOUT removing the DRM, they will be unreadable on your Kindle (or Kindle app).

The ASIN record and the CDEType record can still be modified to sync the "Furthest Read Page" for non-Amazon purchases. Nothing has changed with regards to that.
(occasionally, Amazon is neglecting to include a PALM database name... which renders Mobi2Mobi Gui pretty much useless. You can use the commandline version of mobi2mobi to give it a database name in this case, which will restore Mobi2Mobi-gui's functionality.)

If you want to enable TTS or change the Clipping Limit on Amazon purchases, you are basically being forced to remove the DRM first.

HarryT · 02-28-2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kalex

No it hasn't. My Kindle3G updated itself to 3.1 and I can still sync the books.

Thank you - I stand corrected!

abookreader · 02-28-2011, 02:25 PM

I just tested it - used Mobi2Mobi to correct the 2 Fields and tested on 2 Kindles both updated to 3.1 and it worked. Cool, I always meant to play around and learn how to do that.

sadievan · 02-28-2011, 03:49 PM

Maybe this will help someone.

My kindle is on 3.1 and I was able to sideload books that were converted in Calibre to my iphone with iPhone Explorer (only on my 32 bit machine, not 64 bit) and I got it to sync. Didn't have to use Mobi2Mobi or anything.

Would like to be able to do this on my 64 bit laptop, but for some reason it won't let me add the books. I can access the folders but when I go to add a book, I get the circle with the slash.

Carol

DiapDealer · 02-28-2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sadievan

Would like to be able to do this on my 64 bit laptop, but for some reason it won't let me add the books. I can access the folders but when I go to add a book, I get the circle with the slash.

Sounds like an issue with iPhone Explorer. Do they have a 64-bit version of the program? I'd take it up with the developers of that particular software.

sadievan · 02-28-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Sounds like an issue with iPhone Explorer. Do they have a 64-bit version of the program? I'd take it up with the developers of that particular software.

Thanks DD. They only have one version of the program. I did email their support and they are looking into it. So hopefully there will be a fix. I'm thinking it is a problem with iPhone Explorer and 64 bit too.

Carol

dwig · 02-28-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowplay

I've looked around and read a few things saying that if you sideload a book to the Kindle it'll read fine of course, but it won't be able to sync to other devices. ...

To be precise, such "rumors" are incorrect. The ability to sync has absolutely nothing to do with whether the book was "sideloaded" into a Kindle or "downloaded".

If a sideloaded book has what the Kindle thinks is an ASIN number it will sync. If a downloaded book doesn't (e.g. books from sites other than Amazon, ...) it won't.

DiapDealer · 02-28-2011, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dwig

If a sideloaded book has what the Kindle thinks is an ASIN number it will sync. If a downloaded book doesn't (e.g. books from sites other than Amazon, ...) it won't.

Further clarification... notes, highlights and bookmarks don't sync on non-Amazon content. Period. "Furthest read page" WILL sync on non-Amazon content with a little diddling. But In addition to the ASIN number, the CDEType needs to be set to 'EBOK' for ANY type of syncing to occur. Personal documents (CDETYPE 'PDOC') will not sync at all - even if you give it an ASIN number.

chilady1 · 02-28-2011, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sadievan

Maybe this will help someone.

My kindle is on 3.1 and I was able to sideload books that were converted in Calibre to my iphone with iPhone Explorer (only on my 32 bit machine, not 64 bit) and I got it to sync. Didn't have to use Mobi2Mobi or anything.

Would like to be able to do this on my 64 bit laptop, but for some reason it won't let me add the books. I can access the folders but when I go to add a book, I get the circle with the slash.

Carol

Carol - I just got an Iphone and would love to be able to do this? Can you provide some guidance or direction on how you did this?

sadievan · 02-28-2011, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chilady1

Carol - I just got an Iphone and would love to be able to do this? Can you provide some guidance or direction on how you did this?

I'll try to explain how I did it. I installed iPhone Explorer. It would only work on my 32 bit computer. I couldn't get it to work on my 64 bit computer.

Connect your iphone via USB and open iPhone Explorer.

Expand the Apps folder.

Look for the folder "com.amazon.lassen" and expand that.

Under that folder, go to "Library\eBooks and expand that.

Then drag and drop your ebooks into the eBook folder

Hope this helps you.

Here is a link to another thread that talks about it also:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=121487

Carol

02-28-2011, 11:39 AM	#1
Shadowplay Groupie Posts: 185 Karma: 1096228 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Colorado Device: Kindle Oasis	Need to confirm that sideloaded books can't sync I've looked around and read a few things saying that if you sideload a book to the Kindle it'll read fine of course, but it won't be able to sync to other devices. Is that definitely the case? Is there anyway around this? I've found that I really like the sync feature when going from my Kindle to my android phone and back. Thanks.

02-28-2011, 12:42 PM	#6
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,547 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	The only functionality that has been lost with Mobi2Mobi is the ability to modify the TTS Flag and the Clipping Limit on DRM'ed Kindle files. Both of those metadata records are now tied into the DRM. If you change those values WITHOUT removing the DRM, they will be unreadable on your Kindle (or Kindle app). The ASIN record and the CDEType record can still be modified to sync the "Furthest Read Page" for non-Amazon purchases. Nothing has changed with regards to that. (occasionally, Amazon is neglecting to include a PALM database name... which renders Mobi2Mobi Gui pretty much useless. You can use the commandline version of mobi2mobi to give it a database name in this case, which will restore Mobi2Mobi-gui's functionality.) If you want to enable TTS or change the Clipping Limit on Amazon purchases, you are basically being forced to remove the DRM first. Last edited by DiapDealer; 02-28-2011 at 12:54 PM.

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02-28-2011, 11:46 AM	#2
ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	I believe that I have read that Mobi2Mobi can somehow be used to set up non-Amazon books so that they can be synched. I have never done it but I believe it is possible.

02-28-2011, 12:18 PM	#5
kalex Zealot Posts: 132 Karma: 3248 Join Date: Jun 2007 Device: sony	No it hasn't. My Kindle3G updated itself to 3.1 and I can still sync the books. How are you prepping your books? Are you using mobi2mobi to add ASIN number and are you using new version of calibre?

02-28-2011, 02:25 PM	#8
abookreader Wizard Posts: 1,516 Karma: 2567610 Join Date: Oct 2009 Device: Kindles - Keyboard, Fire, 2-US, iPhone, iPAD	I just tested it - used Mobi2Mobi to correct the 2 Fields and tested on 2 Kindles both updated to 3.1 and it worked. Cool, I always meant to play around and learn how to do that.

02-28-2011, 03:49 PM	#9
sadievan Wizard Posts: 1,931 Karma: 5456284 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2, iPhone, Kindle Fire HD 6	Maybe this will help someone. My kindle is on 3.1 and I was able to sideload books that were converted in Calibre to my iphone with iPhone Explorer (only on my 32 bit machine, not 64 bit) and I got it to sync. Didn't have to use Mobi2Mobi or anything. Would like to be able to do this on my 64 bit laptop, but for some reason it won't let me add the books. I can access the folders but when I go to add a book, I get the circle with the slash. Carol

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