MobileRead November 2009 Mobile Read Book Club Vote - Page 2

AnemicOak · 10-24-2009, 03:24 PM

kennyc · 10-24-2009, 05:03 PM

Thanks Brian!

Hey, maybe that's another element of the definition of a classic -- "available free for download from the public domain"

AnemicOak · 10-24-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Thanks Brian!

Hey, maybe that's another element of the definition of a classic -- "available free for download from the public domain"

There are plenty of PD books I wouldn't consider classics though.

geneven · 10-25-2009, 09:59 AM

So, if the biggest vote takes the election, I guess that means that a minority is pretty much guaranteed to win? There should be runoffs till someone gets a majority, or the disenchanted might go out and burn bookstores...

kennyc · 10-25-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by geneven

So, if the biggest vote takes the election, I guess that means that a minority is pretty much guaranteed to win? There should be runoffs till someone gets a majority, or the disenchanted might go out and burn bookstores...

GA Russell · 10-25-2009, 10:40 AM

Thanks for those links, AO!

geneven · 10-25-2009, 11:04 AM

Well, for the respondent who seemed confused -- the part about burning bookstores was a joke. But if the poll stops now, 10 people will have voted for The Trial, and 31 people for other books. That would make The Trial in the minority, right? Voting should continue till a book gets a majority, with the least-favored book or books eliminated each round and made to leave the island, with the remaining books participating in a new poll till a book finally wins a majority. Political conventions used to work that way.

lilac_jive · 10-25-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by geneven

Well, for the respondent who seemed confused -- the part about burning bookstores was a joke. But if the poll stops now, 10 people will have voted for The Trial, and 31 people for other books. That would make The Trial in the minority, right? Voting should continue till a book gets a majority, with the least-favored book or books eliminated each round and made to leave the island, with the remaining books participating in a new poll till a book finally wins a majority. Political conventions used to work that way.

No, we have the voting open for a set period of time and the one with the most votes wins. That way is too complicated for a book club with a set period of time for reading.

geneven · 10-25-2009, 11:24 AM

Ok, you're running the show, but (a) it really wouldn't be that complicated to do it the way I indicated, and (b) the method you are using guarantees that the same tired small list of classics will be chosen; that it, is just about impossible for lesser-known classics to be read because multiple people won't think about voting for them in one round. It tends to mean that the poorest read people (of classics) will make the choice of what the group will read, if you think about it, because they won't have heard of many classics except for a few super-famous ones, and the well-read people will think of many classics but they will split their votes among them.

Sparrow · 10-25-2009, 11:42 AM

But I wouldn't have thought 'The Trial' would be the obvious choice from the list.

I didn't vote for it - my choice never wins

sniff.

kennyc · 10-25-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by geneven

Well, for the respondent who seemed confused -- the part about burning bookstores was a joke. But if the poll stops now, 10 people will have voted for The Trial, and 31 people for other books. That would make The Trial in the minority, right? Voting should continue till a book gets a majority, with the least-favored book or books eliminated each round and made to leave the island, with the remaining books participating in a new poll till a book finally wins a majority. Political conventions used to work that way.

Oh.

Now I get it.

kennyc · 10-25-2009, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

But I wouldn't have thought 'The Trial' would be the obvious choice from the list.

I didn't vote for it - my choice never wins

sniff.

Hey, quit whining, mine didn't even get nominated.

lilac_jive · 10-25-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by geneven

Ok, you're running the show, but (a) it really wouldn't be that complicated to do it the way I indicated, and (b) the method you are using guarantees that the same tired small list of classics will be chosen; that it, is just about impossible for lesser-known classics to be read because multiple people won't think about voting for them in one round. It tends to mean that the poorest read people (of classics) will make the choice of what the group will read, if you think about it, because they won't have heard of many classics except for a few super-famous ones, and the well-read people will think of many classics but they will split their votes among them.

I think, in general, we aren't a poorly read group, and I'm not sure I see how your way would guarantee something lesser known would get selected. Not to mention that often when others have read the winning book, they'll go on to read another selection from the list. I expect that will be the case here.

Ea · 10-25-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparrow

But I wouldn't have thought 'The Trial' would be the obvious choice from the list.

I didn't vote for it - my choice never wins

sniff.

I can see it was Orlando. I read it a long time ago, and would love to read it again and discuss it - but so far I am saving my vote in case another of the other ones I'd like need support (Trial and Dorian Gray)

Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven

Ok, you're running the show, but (a) it really wouldn't be that complicated to do it the way I indicated, and (b) the method you are using guarantees that the same tired small list of classics will be chosen; that it, is just about impossible for lesser-known classics to be read because multiple people won't think about voting for them in one round. It tends to mean that the poorest read people (of classics) will make the choice of what the group will read, if you think about it, because they won't have heard of many classics except for a few super-famous ones, and the well-read people will think of many classics but they will split their votes among them.

It is a bit convoluted, but I read this as if you expect people who have not read many 'classics' to select the most well-known or 'famous'?
I can't agree. You forget we are an international group

I have read well-known (in Denmark) Danish classics, but few, if none, English classics - though apparently well-known in English speaking countries. My favourite in this list is Orlando - certainly not super-famous. I'm sorry, but I'm not quite sure what your point is? Most of the books nominated got three nominations and were listed - it might be the same 'tired' list of classics, but one that was support for. It wasn't like a lot of books were left by the wayside after a bloody battle (so to speak)....

pilotbob · 10-25-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by geneven

Ok, you're running the show, but (a) it really wouldn't be that complicated to do it the way I indicated, and (b) the method you are using guarantees that the same tired small list of classics will be chosen;

First, we are not choosing a world leader here, just a book to read in a friendly little book club.

Secondly if you go back to the previous classic months you will see that while I think there were one or two duplicates each poll has had different and unique selections.

BOb

View Poll Results: November 2009 Mobile Read Book Club Vote
The Trial by Franz Kafka	15	20.27%
The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky	8	10.81%
Persuasion by Jane Austen	4	5.41%
Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens	8	10.81%
The Picture (or Portrait) of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde	12	16.22%
Around the World in 80 Days by Jules Verne	11	14.86%
Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions by Edward Abbott	6	8.11%
Orlando by Virginia Woolf	6	8.11%
Les Misérables by Victor Hugo	4	5.41%
Voters: 74. You may not vote on this poll

10-24-2009, 03:24 PM	#16
AnemicOak Bookaholic Posts: 14,391 Karma: 54969924 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Minnesota Device: iPad Mini 4, AuraHD, iPhone XR +	OK, here's this months where to get it list. Probably not all that needed this month, but I did it anyway. I only included free sources, but all of them are also available for sale at most eBook retailers. The Trial by Franz Kafka MobileRead (uploaded by Patricia) IMP https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16018 LRF https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16016 PRC https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16017 Feedbooks Various formats http://www.feedbooks.com/book/9 Manybooks 20 different formats http://manybooks.net/titles/kafkafraetext05ktria10.html Gutenberg Various formats http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/7849 The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky MobileRead (uploaded by =X=) IMP https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32207 LRF https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32205 PRC https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32206 Feedbooks Various formats http://www.feedbooks.com/book/180 Manybooks 20 different formats http://manybooks.net/titles/dostoyev...karamazov.html http://manybooks.net/titles/dostoyev2805428054-8.html Gutenberg Various formats http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/28054 Persuasion by Jane Austen MobileRead (uploaded by HarryT, zelda_pinwheel & Strether) EPUB https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54999 IMP https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22434 LRF https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10391 PRC https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21457 PRC https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18732 Feedbooks Various formats http://www.feedbooks.com/book/4337 http://feedbooks.com/book/51 Manybooks 20 different formats http://manybooks.net/titles/austenjaetext94persu11.html Gutenberg Various formats http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/105 Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens MobileRead (uploaded by HarryT & nrapallo) EPUB https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54085 IMP https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21410 LRF https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10202 PRC https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17412 Feedbooks Various formats http://www.feedbooks.com/book/56 Manybooks 20 different formats http://manybooks.net/titles/dickenscetext96olivr11.html Gutenberg Various formats http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/730 The Picture (or Portrait) of Dorian Gray by Oscar Wilde MobileRead (uploaded by Jellby & Dr. Drib) EPUB https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34431 LRF https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11535 MOBI https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26867 Feedbooks Various formats http://www.feedbooks.com/book/6 Manybooks 20 different formats http://manybooks.net/titles/wildeoscetext94dgray10.html Gutenberg Various formats http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/26740 http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/174 \| http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/4078 Around the World in 80 Days by Jules Verne MobileRead (uploaded by HarryT) PRC https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21072 Feedbooks Various formats http://www.feedbooks.com/book/199 Manybooks 20 different formats http://manybooks.net/titles/vernejuletext9480day11.html Gutenberg Various formats http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/103 Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions by Edward Abbott MobileRead (uploaded by Stanart) IMP https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1573 LRF https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15729 PRC https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15730 Feedbooks Various formats http://www.feedbooks.com/book/1596 http://www.feedbooks.com/book/1796 Manybooks 20 different formats http://manybooks.net/titles/abbottedetext95flat10a.html http://manybooks.net/titles/abbottedetext94flat11.html Gutenberg Various formats http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/201 http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/97 Orlando by Virginia Woolf MobileRead (uploaded by Dr. Drib) LRF https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12665 Gutenberg AU HTML http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200331h.html Les Misérables by Victor Hugo MobileRead (uploaded by HarryT & Roy White) LRF https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27915 LRF https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11130 PRC https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27916 Feedbooks Various formats http://www.feedbooks.com/book/1559 Manybooks 20 different formats http://manybooks.net/titles/hugovictetext94lesms10.html Gutenberg Various formats http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/135 Last edited by AnemicOak; 10-24-2009 at 03:53 PM.

10-25-2009, 11:04 AM	#22
geneven Member Retired Posts: 124 Karma: 340 Join Date: Aug 2008 Device: Nokia N800, N810, Kindle 2	Well, for the respondent who seemed confused -- the part about burning bookstores was a joke. But if the poll stops now, 10 people will have voted for The Trial, and 31 people for other books. That would make The Trial in the minority, right? Voting should continue till a book gets a majority, with the least-favored book or books eliminated each round and made to leave the island, with the remaining books participating in a new poll till a book finally wins a majority. Political conventions used to work that way. Last edited by geneven; 10-25-2009 at 11:07 AM.

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10-24-2009, 05:03 PM	#17
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,872 Karma: 118716293 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	Thanks Brian! Hey, maybe that's another element of the definition of a classic -- "available free for download from the public domain"

10-25-2009, 09:59 AM	#19
geneven Member Retired Posts: 124 Karma: 340 Join Date: Aug 2008 Device: Nokia N800, N810, Kindle 2	So, if the biggest vote takes the election, I guess that means that a minority is pretty much guaranteed to win? There should be runoffs till someone gets a majority, or the disenchanted might go out and burn bookstores...

10-25-2009, 10:40 AM	#21
GA Russell Montreal wins Grey Cup! Posts: 7,583 Karma: 31484197 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Raleigh, NC Device: Paperwhite, Kindles 10 & 4 and jetBook Lite	Thanks for those links, AO!

10-25-2009, 11:24 AM	#24
geneven Member Retired Posts: 124 Karma: 340 Join Date: Aug 2008 Device: Nokia N800, N810, Kindle 2	Ok, you're running the show, but (a) it really wouldn't be that complicated to do it the way I indicated, and (b) the method you are using guarantees that the same tired small list of classics will be chosen; that it, is just about impossible for lesser-known classics to be read because multiple people won't think about voting for them in one round. It tends to mean that the poorest read people (of classics) will make the choice of what the group will read, if you think about it, because they won't have heard of many classics except for a few super-famous ones, and the well-read people will think of many classics but they will split their votes among them.

10-25-2009, 11:42 AM	#25
Sparrow Wizard Posts: 4,395 Karma: 1358132 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Device: Palm TX, CyBook Gen3	But I wouldn't have thought 'The Trial' would be the obvious choice from the list. I didn't vote for it - my choice never wins sniff.