Where Are The 11" Screens?

Sonist · 03-03-2010, 05:51 PM

Any 11" tablets/readers coming out?

It seems there is a glut of smaller screens, but nothing which can read a standard PDF at 100%. Or simply to be the same size as a hardcover book (which is actually a little larger).

Anyone see something like this on the horizon?

Of course, if LCD, it needs to be a good one to be of value for a reader - like IPS.

Hellmark · 03-03-2010, 06:14 PM

I've kinda wondered that myself. An A4/8.5x11" display would be quite nice for those who deal with tech docs. Guess that is still just seen as too small a niche compared to the price it would take to make them currently.

SCION · 03-03-2010, 06:18 PM

I've been waiting on the same. It seems like every few weeks there's an announcement of a new device with a 6 inch screen. The small screen concept is stale now.

dmaul1114 · 03-03-2010, 06:28 PM

Waiting for that as well myself--and prefer LCD so I can have good stylus markup and super quick page turns to flip through research articles etc.

I need something I can through any of my PDFs on and not have to worry about font being to small, having to crop margins and losing space to jot notes etc.

I want something with an A4 (or close) screen and great stylus mark up so I can do everything with it that I do with printouts of A4 PDFs now.

Elfwreck · 03-03-2010, 07:02 PM

Too small a niche, and too fragile a device. And I expect price plays a big part in it--an A4/letter display is almost 4x the screenspace of a 6" reader, and 4x the cost for the e-ink screen.

fugazied · 03-03-2010, 07:11 PM

I haven't seen any at all

If they price it right, I'd get one JUST for PDFs. As long as it had some kind of way to add notes to the PDF (even a stylus) it would be great for reading/studying technical PDFs as I often do. The main benefit for me would be to have it open next to my computer screen.

Sonist · 03-03-2010, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Elfwreck

Too small a niche, and too fragile a device. And I expect price plays a big part in it--an A4/letter display is almost 4x the screenspace of a 6" reader, and 4x the cost for the e-ink screen.

I am not sure it's such a small niche. An 11" device would still be smaller than the average hardback volume, and likely much thinner.

There are PDF versions of novels floating around. The pages in some of these look like real pages, with nice design and typesetting. Much more readable and enjoyable than anything I've seen on either my 6" or 9.7" Kindles. I'd imagine there is a market for something that can present such pages in full size, in addition to any other standard PDF, such as textbook or technical text.

As to fragility, an extra inch and a little over the glass screen of the Kindle DX shouldn't be such a feat to achieve. And my DX is still perfect, despite being shove in backpacks and airplane seat's pockets.

Dulin's Books · 03-03-2010, 07:53 PM

fragility was the main block. now that teh plastic backpane and foil back pane flexible screens are coming we will see more of this size this year.

Seli · 03-03-2010, 09:48 PM

I think there could be a huge market, but the readers need to be a lot faster first. My experience is in the sciences, but there all journals and a lot of books are accessible as pdf (a4 or letter size) and most people I know do not look at the paper versions any more. They do tend to print out most things they actually want to read though.

Scientific publishing is probably the largest electronic publishing market at the moment anyway, and the nice thing is that the worst DRM the academic journals use (that I have seen so far) is watermarking.

dmaul1114 · 03-03-2010, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonist

I am not sure it's such a small niche. An 11" device would still be smaller than the average hardback volume, and likely much thinner.

Yeah I don't think it's a niche at all. Would be used by academics like me, students (many text books are A4 or larger and full of large tables, figures etc.), businesses that want to go more paperless etc.

It's not something the average reader here would by, but I think there's a large niche.

Quote:

As to fragility, an extra inch and a little over the glass screen of the Kindle DX shouldn't be such a feat to achieve. And my DX is still perfect, despite being shove in backpacks and airplane seat's pockets.

Yeah I don't see adding an inch or so adding fragility.

And moot for me as I have no interest in a large screen e-ink device. As noted, I want a good LCD screen as I want color and super fast refresh rates both for document mark up and flipping through to find tables etc., as well as the ability to do video etc.

I don't want a reader with an A4 screen really, I really want a tablet like the iPad but with an A4 screen and designed around stylus support.

dmaul1114 · 03-03-2010, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seli

I think there could be a huge market, but the readers need to be a lot faster first. My experience is in the sciences, but there all journals and a lot of books are accessible as pdf (a4 or letter size) and most people I know do not look at the paper versions any more. They do tend to print out most things they actually want to read though.

Scientific publishing is probably the largest electronic publishing market at the moment anyway, and the nice thing is that the worst DRM the academic journals use (that I have seen so far) is watermarking.

Absolutely.

I print out PDFs of everything--other than the 2 or 3 journals I get physical copies of through professional organization memberships. I can't stand reading on the PC, and I'm not going to go to the library and make a copy. I just print the PDF and read it and highlight the crap out of it, write tons of notes in the margins etc.

And I want a tablet that I can do all that just as quickly and easily as I can with a print out now. So good stylus support is a must, and an LCD or similar speed screen to be able to flip pages quickly etc.

badbob001 · 03-04-2010, 03:31 PM

Uh, the Skiff with its 11.5" 1200x1600 174dpi flexible screen is 'suppose' to come out this year.

http://skiff.com/skiff-reader_tech-specs.html

I would prefer a smaller screen at the same resolution, but I guess that may be a limitation of e-ink.

dmaul1114 · 03-04-2010, 03:36 PM

Yep. Now give me a skiff with a good LCD screen and stylus markup and I'll be set.

SalvaG · 03-04-2010, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seli

I think there could be a huge market, but the readers need to be a lot faster first.

That's exactly what I think. I don't need a batery that lasts 2 weeks, I'm reading on my desk, I need s fast processor. Is it that hard to understand?

dmaul1114 · 03-04-2010, 05:37 PM

Exactly. I don't care so much about battery life, eye strain etc. This will be something I mainly use in my office or at home to read and mark up stuff for work. As well as surf the net, watch some videos etc. if it's a tablet and not a reader.

It's not something like my Kindle that I'm going to read on for long stretches, long flights etc.

The iPad is SO close to what I need--if the screen was bigger and I was sure there would be good stylus mark up options I'd have one pre-ordered. 10 hour battery life, the screen tech etc. are all more than good enough for my needs.

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Sonist Apeist Posts: 2,126 Karma: 381090 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: The sunny part of California Device: Generic virtual reality story-experiential device	Where Are The 11" Screens? Any 11" tablets/readers coming out? It seems there is a glut of smaller screens, but nothing which can read a standard PDF at 100%. Or simply to be the same size as a hardcover book (which is actually a little larger). Anyone see something like this on the horizon? Of course, if LCD, it needs to be a good one to be of value for a reader - like IPS.

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Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,549 Karma: 3799999 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: O'Fallon, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3	I've kinda wondered that myself. An A4/8.5x11" display would be quite nice for those who deal with tech docs. Guess that is still just seen as too small a niche compared to the price it would take to make them currently.

03-03-2010, 06:18 PM	#3
SCION Séduisant Posts: 4,706 Karma: 2107018 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas, USA Device: Boox Note Air2+; Kobo Libra2; Kindle Scribe, Oasis3; iPad Mini6	I've been waiting on the same. It seems like every few weeks there's an announcement of a new device with a 6 inch screen. The small screen concept is stale now.

03-03-2010, 06:28 PM	#4
dmaul1114 Wizard Posts: 2,300 Karma: 1121709 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Amazon Kindle 1	Waiting for that as well myself--and prefer LCD so I can have good stylus markup and super quick page turns to flip through research articles etc. I need something I can through any of my PDFs on and not have to worry about font being to small, having to crop margins and losing space to jot notes etc. I want something with an A4 (or close) screen and great stylus mark up so I can do everything with it that I do with printouts of A4 PDFs now.

03-03-2010, 07:02 PM	#5
Elfwreck Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,185 Karma: 25133758 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3 (Past: Kobo Mini, PEZ, PRS-505, Clié)	Too small a niche, and too fragile a device. And I expect price plays a big part in it--an A4/letter display is almost 4x the screenspace of a 6" reader, and 4x the cost for the e-ink screen.

03-03-2010, 07:11 PM	#6
fugazied Wizard Posts: 1,305 Karma: 1958 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: iPod Touch	I haven't seen any at all If they price it right, I'd get one JUST for PDFs. As long as it had some kind of way to add notes to the PDF (even a stylus) it would be great for reading/studying technical PDFs as I often do. The main benefit for me would be to have it open next to my computer screen.

03-03-2010, 07:53 PM	#8
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	fragility was the main block. now that teh plastic backpane and foil back pane flexible screens are coming we will see more of this size this year.

03-03-2010, 09:48 PM	#9
Seli Connoisseur Posts: 80 Karma: 732 Join Date: Jul 2009 Device: Kobo Glo HD, Android phone	I think there could be a huge market, but the readers need to be a lot faster first. My experience is in the sciences, but there all journals and a lot of books are accessible as pdf (a4 or letter size) and most people I know do not look at the paper versions any more. They do tend to print out most things they actually want to read though. Scientific publishing is probably the largest electronic publishing market at the moment anyway, and the nice thing is that the worst DRM the academic journals use (that I have seen so far) is watermarking.

03-04-2010, 03:31 PM	#12
badbob001 Fanatic Posts: 556 Karma: 1102020 Join Date: Sep 2009 Device: Kindle Keyboard (rip), Kindle Voyage, Fire Tablet 10 '17, iPad '19	Uh, the Skiff with its 11.5" 1200x1600 174dpi flexible screen is 'suppose' to come out this year. http://skiff.com/skiff-reader_tech-specs.html I would prefer a smaller screen at the same resolution, but I guess that may be a limitation of e-ink.

03-04-2010, 03:36 PM	#13
dmaul1114 Wizard Posts: 2,300 Karma: 1121709 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Amazon Kindle 1	Yep. Now give me a skiff with a good LCD screen and stylus markup and I'll be set.

03-04-2010, 05:37 PM	#15
dmaul1114 Wizard Posts: 2,300 Karma: 1121709 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Amazon Kindle 1	Exactly. I don't care so much about battery life, eye strain etc. This will be something I mainly use in my office or at home to read and mark up stuff for work. As well as surf the net, watch some videos etc. if it's a tablet and not a reader. It's not something like my Kindle that I'm going to read on for long stretches, long flights etc. The iPad is SO close to what I need--if the screen was bigger and I was sure there would be good stylus mark up options I'd have one pre-ordered. 10 hour battery life, the screen tech etc. are all more than good enough for my needs.

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