08-10-2012, 10:01 PM | #31 | ||
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08-10-2012, 10:49 PM | #33 | |
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No, it is an easy sell. Since collecting all data and analyze them later is the easy and obvious implementation and since most probably these implementation details deciscions was made by very few people maybe just the guy that implmeneted it it is very easy to see how it happened.
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A little story of how easily it can go wrong.
In order to free up memory on my phone and tablets I have moved my music to Google Drive and use the Google Music Player on my devices. Lately I have been travelling, using entirely different IPs than I normally do, connecting through WiFi in hotels or hot spots in malls, MickyD or Starbucks. Google finds this fishy and temporarily stopped my account due to "unusual activities". I could get it back with them sending me an SMS code, but not having roaming on (I use pre-paid, so roaming is ridiculously expensive). Hence I wasn't able to access my data until I got back home. In this case it was just music. I'll survive the lack of songs, but I sure learned that you do not put anything in the Cloud that is important to you. Maybe as an easy method of accessing through different devices, but I will make sure that I have private files and private backups of important data. |
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And the reason they couldn't delete it immediately was because they were legally obligated to report it to various country's privacy commissioners, and then had a legal obligation to preserve the date because it was evidence. |
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But heh, it isn't a problem in the US anyway, because the FCC has ruled that this sort of mass eavesdropping is legal. European countries take a different view. |
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I see the cloud as a convenient way to backup your onsite backup, like music, pictures, etc. Let's say house got fire, knock on wood! Having a cloud copy of my pictures ensures I won't loss my family memories. I mean, c'mon ... the government , restaurants and retailers have been collecting our info for years, this is nothing new. That's how we get all those paper ads in the mail. |
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i'm sure they don't want to see my stash of gay ____
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08-11-2012, 01:08 PM | #41 |
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I remember we had the same problem when DRM first started. People spent hundreds of pounds downloading music from online stores, then one day, the stores were like 'sorry, we're going out of business, and our DRM will be discontinued so none of those songs you paid for will be working ever again.'
I just buy a TB drive every year or so, fill it up, label it, and then stick it in a box somewhere. I know they can crash and everything, but I haven't had one go so far, and I know that it'll be there if i need it. |
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As for the topic of this thread, I use cloud storage all the time for important and unimportant documents. Dropbox and Skydrive mirror my data across several computers, making it accessible wherever I am from those computers or from my phone. If those services ever shutdown over night, it would be annoying in the sense that I wouldn't have synced copies, but I'd still have copies because of the previous mirroring. Depending on the service, storing something in the cloud doesn't meaning it's only stored in the cloud. Last edited by Ninjalawyer; 08-12-2012 at 01:43 AM. |
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08-12-2012, 01:43 AM | #44 | |
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I could be wrong, but it really doesn't seem like upper-management at Google instituted some super-secret data gathering program. It appears that an engineer inserted some code and his immediate superiors were told about it but didn't flag it for review by Google's counsel because they didn't understand the privacy implications. Having dealt extensively with corporations, I can tell you this isn't particularly surprising; the legal department doesn't see everything, and if something isn't flagged for their review by management it can easily be missed. One company I worked with didn't even bother involving their legal department in contract negotiations or review unless the contract was worth at least $150k. It's a risk they take because lawyers (even in-house lawyers) are expensive, and usually management is decent at realizing when there could be an issue; unfortunately, problems happen because laws are complicated and management usually has no legal training. What do you think Google's purpose was in collecting the data? |
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