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However, when it comes to movies and TV, where they require mainstream audiences to pay for them, not just fans, then we see this dumbing down carried to an extreme. Thus "it's only sci-fi, of course it doesn't make any sense" if you mention any stupidities in the story. So that's the audience most writers and producers pander to: one that doesn't want to think. There is barely a handful of actual SF, as opposed to magic with tech, made each year. Recently on TV "The Expanse", which of course was based on a book series. Movies: "The Martian" (also an adaptation of a successful book). Star Trek (all series) and Doctor Who long ago gave up even trying to be SF. Black Mirror is very thoughtful, but mostly fantasy. I don't really expect to see any adaptations of Greg Egan, Kim Stanley Robinson, Iain M. Banks. The more mystical stuff, the "X in space" stories is where the money is. Fantasy is considered of more inherent worth: Game of Thrones is taken very seriously, with endless discussion of the plots and characters. Though since they ran out of books to adapt it's sliding into fan service. |
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SF movies that have bleaker/ambiguous endings tend to be smaller scale, less crowd pleasing and more like what I expect from a sci-fi novel (Arrival and Moon, for instance). |
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11-28-2017, 01:31 PM | #66 |
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On the written page, you cant distract from stupidity with CGI and attractive actors. But I suppose the popularity of tie-ins, like Doctor Who, Trek, Star Wars novels, that just remembering the CGI and actors is enough. The book stories are usually a bit less dumb, though they can't rewrite the basic assumptions of their shows. And really, "thank goodness"? Watch "The Expanse", "2001: A Space Odyssey". Tell me they'd be better if they used "The Force" and light sabres. |
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11-28-2017, 10:39 PM | #71 | |
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I really like The Expanse--both the books and the show. But the show is short-changing the humor present (dark or otherwise) in the books and is really forcing the Belter patois. There are whole conversations that are entirely unintelligible in the show, where it is used more sparingly in the books (and is easily picked up on via context). If being too serious and forcing viewers to learn a new language in order to understand what characters are talking about is smart, I'll take a bit more dumb any day. Last edited by DiapDealer; 11-28-2017 at 10:41 PM. |
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As for "Star Wars" ... I liked the first one (I was barely out of my teens and nothing like it had been seen before). Watched the second one and thought, "A huge galaxy and everyone is related to everyone ... gee, what are the chances of that?" Special effects were pretty cool, that was about it. Got to the third one and didn't like it much and then, when they got to the walking and talking teddy bears, that was the end of "Star Wars" for me. Haven't seen the others, don't want to. Don't want to see the originals ever again. I'll never get the "ewoks" out of my head. I never bought into all the BS saying the original "Star Wars" was really the fourth one anyhow. Here's what I don't like about most "hard" SF I've read (or started to read). Stories should be about people, not about technology or philosophy. Hard SF is almost always about someone's worldview or philosophy – and the author is almost always obnoxiously "religious" about it. They also tend to explain EVERY little goo-gah in their story in minute detail, while pretending that their science FICTION is actually "reality" ... or reality that is "just waiting to happen." Problem is, it's just theory. Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't. But if you want to write a book on technology or philosophy, don't call it a novel, call it non-fiction. Now, I know that this is the extreme position, and that there are (probably) good hard SF books with realistic (and interesting) characters. Unfortunately most of the "hard" SF I've read (and there hasn't been a lot, because I hate it) is written by cranks. Sorry, I'll step off the soapbox now. Last edited by rcentros; 11-28-2017 at 10:59 PM. |
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