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Old 09-11-2019, 05:06 AM   #1
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Would like feedback about a "Hybrid" book

Throwing this question out for feedback ---

I wanted to rehab and upload to the MR Library a book of Aesop's Fables that was illustrated by the great Arthur Rackham.

Unfortunately, the translation that was used for the "Rackham" edition is probably still under copyright for "Life+70" --- (V.S. Vernon-Jones, probably 1875-1955, biographical data is almost non-existent, and hard to verify.)

So, because I really want to use the Rackham illustrations, I considered using text from another translator, which would have to be the George F. Townsend (1814-1900) translation from 1882. Text is a bit more flowery and dated than the Vernon-Jones translation.

So what is your opinion? Is it total heresy to marry the illustrations to a different text?

Would you read a book which had been assembled in this fashion?

Or would your indignation-meter redline?

(of course, I would add a clear explanatory note on the forum post, and within the book.)

Please share your opinion!
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:17 AM   #2
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It sounds delightful to me. Who wouldn't want the Rackham illustrations?

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Old 09-11-2019, 06:25 AM   #3
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Thank you for the opinion.

And thank you much for the compliment!
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:28 AM   #4
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I don't see any problem at all, given that you will be giving a statement specifying the source of the illustrations and the source of the text, and that they are different.

I look forward to downloading and reading it.
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:32 AM   #5
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Thank you, Alex.
Hey, we are building a majority consensus here!
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Old 09-11-2019, 07:54 AM   #6
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I say go for it.
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:02 AM   #7
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+1. Love Rackham.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:12 AM   #8
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My indignation meter didn't even twitch.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:15 AM   #9
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You are safe in the US because of Fair Use.
Both images and text are PD and the use is transformative but it is safer if you don't replicate the exact formatting and layout of the copyrighted book.

This may not be the case outside the US, where Fair Use is not often a defense.
To be safest, check the indicia.

Depending on date, even the newer book might be PD if it falls within the old US renewal regime.
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Old 09-11-2019, 11:00 AM   #10
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Depending on date, even the newer book might be PD if it falls within the old US renewal regime.
Irrelevant for MobileRead library purposes, where the standard is Life+70.
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Irrelevant for MobileRead library purposes, where the standard is Life+70.
So even if the book is out of all copyright everywhere it won't be accepted?
Okay.
Good to know.
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Old 09-11-2019, 11:44 AM   #12
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So even if the book is out of all copyright everywhere it won't be accepted?
Okay.
Good to know.
It can't be "out of copyright everywhere," because life+70 is the rule in many (if not most) parts of the world. Under this rule, it can only be in the public domain if the copyright holder explicitly says so.
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Old 09-11-2019, 12:08 PM   #13
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So even if the book is out of all copyright everywhere it won't be accepted?
Okay.
Good to know.
Which is not what I said or implied.
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Uh! (not trying to rain on this) aren't the illustrations ALSO copyrighted?
Or is it only text that is Life+70?
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Uh! (not trying to rain on this) aren't the illustrations ALSO copyrighted?
Or is it only text that is Life+70?
Rackham died in 1939. The illustrations aren't the problem. That's why the question of a "hybrid" ed. arose in the first place.
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