12-29-2003, 09:34 AM | #1 |
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Lost margin and links with table formatting
I wrote this webpage with FrontPage:
http://jimthompson.net/boating/Celes.../MyNoonSun.htm I want to carry it on my T2 and read it with iSilo. But if I download it with table formatting turned on, then a few seconds after opening the document in iSilo the right margin snaps out to the right, off the right side of the screen, and the internal bookmark hotlinks do not work. If I download it with table formatting turned off, the margins and links are fine. I am using version 3.35. Thanks, Jim iSilo-friendly celestial navigation notes: http://jimthompson.net/boating/Celes...ationNotes.htm Using iSilo to write clinical practice guidelines: http://www.jimthompson.net/palmpda/iSilo/isilo.htm |
12-29-2003, 06:24 PM | #2 |
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Jim,
I had a look at your page and also tried to convert it to iSilo. Seems like iSilo really chokes on the untidy FrontPage html source. The only thing I would do is use something like HtmlTidy to clean the code, check for errors, and see if iSilo likes that better. One error I spotted which is maybe the reason why iSilo does not follow the navigation bookmark: Code:
<p><a href="#My sight data">My sight data<br> </a><a href="#Reduction results">My noon sight's reduction<br> </a> Give it a try and tell me if you need more help. Btw, DreamWeaver comes with a tool that not only cleans up your HTML code, but also looks for syntax errors like the ones above. Greets Alex |
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Have a look at the code of http://www.turcic.com/index.htm, which was my first attempt to write in xhtml+css. I didn't use any special html editor; used Ultraedit, which is my favorite editor for any text documents. If you can afford it, I would recommend the new Dreamweaver MX 2004, which has nice support for xhtml + css as well. |
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12-31-2003, 06:25 PM | #5 |
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Thanks for the direction. After all these years of using FrontPage I finally broke down and bought Dreamweaver MX 2004 today. Very, very nice. I especially like the menu item that automatically cleans up HTML written by Word. Wow. Sweet.
I've also got the demo version of UltraEdit. It will be very handy I think for quick HTML edits, and as a NotePad super replacement. |
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Cool! Let me know if you need any help.
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Btw., one of the most impressive web sites I know that shows the potential of Cascade Style Sheets is CSSZengarden. It is a demonstration of what can be accomplished visually through CSS–based design. The idea: always the same html code, only different CSS Style-Sheet. Have a look, I guarantee you'll be impressed!
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CSSZengarden -- great link. I've started documenting my experience with DW at:
http://www.jimthompson.net/FrontpageDreamweaver.htm |
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sofry, interesting read!
To answer your last question, "But should I be using tables at all if I want to write for both desktop browsers and handheld computers?" - try to learn how to use divisions, <div id="main">...</div> together with the appropriate CSS to avoid tables completely for layout purposes. Tables are generally rendered more slowly on browsers and offer less freedom than CSS. With CSS, you can do pixel-exact positioning, relative positioning, etc. The index of http://www.turcic.com doesn't use a single table for instance. |
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"The index of http://www.turcic.com doesn't use a single table for instance."
And it's gorgeous too. I've got to learn how to do that. For now perhaps you would not mind answering this? When I use iSiloX to convert your home page http://www.turcic.com to read with iSilo on my Tungsten T2, it comes out in very readable text, without graphics and colours. How did you do that? |
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So that generates another question: can I use css styles on a webpage AND see the same formatting on the handheld after iSiloX conversion? If not, then what is the workaround? |
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<style type="text/css"> <!-- body { background: #FFFFFF; color: #000000; } . . . --> </style> |
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I asked this question on the little-used iSilo Forums. iSilo points out that iSiloX should be able to handle basic CSS external styling. They noticed that in my case DW simply had inserted a concrete reference to the style sheet on my hard drive, not a relative reference to the local folder containing the webpage, so I had to edit each page's reference to the style sheet from <link href=" file:///D|/DreamWeaver/Sites/CN_Notes/CN_Notes.css " rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"> to <link href="CN_Notes.css " rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"> ie, deleting the phrase in bold type. When I did that, iSilox found and correctly parsed the appropriate styles in CN_Notes.css for the handheld version, and all the formatting came back. Sweet. |
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