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I love 'em | 38 | 35.85% | |
They ok | 33 | 31.13% | |
I love them most when they're sleeping | 18 | 16.98% | |
They're too noisy, demanding and/or self-centered | 36 | 33.96% | |
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Of course it's not perfect, but it's damn sight better (IMHO of course) than knowing that access to medical treatment depends on your ability to pay for it. Personally it's something that I'm more than happy to pay taxes for. |
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Are the NHS and the US system the only options available? I thought other European countries had health provision that trumped both. |
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Every European country does things in a somewhat different way, and perhaps some of those other systems are fairer. more efficient, or whatever. Unfortunately I don't know enough about them to be able to form an opinion, I'm afraid. The important question for me, at least, is not the details of how individual healthcare systems operate, but rather, "do you think that the fundamental principle of government-provided healthcare is right or wrong?" and for me the answer is "it's right". I'm sure that every system has its problems, because there will always be enough money available to spend on it as one would like in an ideal world. Personally, as a person in a decent job, I have no objection to paying £7.50 (or whatever it is at the moment) for a prescription.
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I thought the system in Canada was better than that in Australia, which (to oversimplify) is about midway between Canada's system and the US system. A conservative Canadian Prime Minister regarded public health care as a 'sacred duty' of governments. Regards, Alex |
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The NHS has very much of a "sacred" status in the UK, Alex. It is supported by every political party, and it would be political suicide for any politician to even suggest that it be abolished.
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I will whole heartedly agree that the health care system here in the US is a mess (although I definitely would not describe it as third world), but I have serious reservations about changing over to a government controlled healthcare system. I've worked in government agencies and know how convoluted the beaucracy is, so I wouldn't want the same system over seeing my health care. I had serious issues during my pregnancies and had the very best of care thanks to the health insurances I had through both my husband's and my jobs. I was even encouraged to go to a highly specialized clinic in another state to receive additional support. I doubt that would have happened in a state run program. I just don't have any confidence in our beaucratic and red-tape filled government to set up something that will continue to give me the healthcare I am currently receiving. I do want everyone to have healthcare, I just don't want my family to have less than what we have now. That may sound selfish, but it is what it is.
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It is generally popular - but "sacred" may be a bit of an overstatement.
It does have its critics, and I think there is a general view that the NHS needs reforming in some areas. Anyway - the poll is nip and tuck. Baby goats? What's not to like?? |
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Things which people tend to have done privately are "quality of life" type things which are not "life-threatening", so you might have to wait 6 months to get them done on the NHS. The might include things like cateract or hip replacement operations, for example. (Or "cosmetic surgery" which the NHS doesn't do.) The "serious stuff" you will get immediate and (normally) excellent NHS treatment for, as I have personal experience of when my Mum was diagnosed with bowel cancer. She could not have received better treatment, and made a full recovery. |
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It may be worth mentioning NICE (National Institute for Clinical Health and Excellence) - they decide what treatments the NHS can offer.
I'm not sure if insurance systems like the ones in the US would offer a broader range of treatments; but NICE sometimes make controversial decisions that the NHS won't offer some treatments, because the benefits don't outweigh the costs. http://www.pharmatimes.com/UKNews/article.aspx?id=16113 This may become more of an issue as the recession bites. |
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I have always thought that health care is one of those compromises we make... more salary and possibly no or pretty bad coverage or a big chunk less of salary and benefits that keep you working there. For a long time, this worked. I had friends that made a Lot more than I did, but, to me at least, they paid through the nose for stuff that was considered basic coverage where I work. It worked out in the end, again, to me.
I object to the way Medicaid is currently used in this country, where only the very very poor, children of illegals (which are citizens based on our outmoded laws) or the rich (or ones with laywers that don't mind bending laws) qualify. Should you have to sell your house or use your savings when you get old to pay for your eldercare.... I don't know, but I Don't think I should have to pay for it. We have people with laywers that set up trusts for the family (adults, not kids) where hundreds of thousands of dollars (or MORE) are diverted to the family, and the parent goes to a nursing home free of charge.... well, free of charge to Their family... the rest of us get to pay the $5k+ a month it generally runs. Some of my thoughts on government provided healthcare have changed... partially as a way citizens in this country are treated and partially because Medicaid, in it's current setup, cannot continue to be allowed to run unchanged. I think that the step we're trying to take is a step in the right direction except for one thing... as stated previously, I work in government, my benefits, namely my healthcare is one of the few reasons I've stayed as long as I did. If my employer will be given the ability to dissolve our healthcare and make us go national health, I'd be angry...and, the way it sounds, while the government won't "make" any employer disolve their healthcare package, they sure as hell won't stop them from doing so. Based on my time here, my ability to read, and having watched or heard about politics from an early age, I have absolutely NO faith that any elected official in this country will have anyone other than their own benefit in mind when they make this thing up. Plus, how would it be set up? There are already long waits for most physicians even when you Have coverage.... will it go to the UK thing, where you can wait for months? (if this is wrong, sorry, but it is the view the rest of us gets when we hear about it). NZ has a type of national health, but it seems to be working even less than the other nationalized systems... Canada I don't know enough about, nor the Aussie system, but maybe we'd be better off following in one of the better plans footsteps rather than trying to come up with our own plan... which of course will have to take care of certain companies and "friends".... pretty much like every government decision ever made. Last edited by Ceili; 06-26-2009 at 09:55 AM. Reason: *sighs* |
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