Can you read complete books on an LCD screens?

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by gmw

Suffice to say that the strength of your argument comes over as a virtual accusation that close to 50% of people can't adjust their brightness (which is a curious accusation considering most phones and tablets do it automatically these days), rather than offering that there might be a range of reasons.

Sadly my phone's auto-adjust in a dim room leaves the screen much brighter than I like. In bright daylight, the screen brightens enought to be readable but the glossy screen reflects everything which is annoying.

OTOH, as an IT person, I have long since stopped being surprised by the number of people who do not realize that their monitor, laptop screen, tablet, whatever does have brightness/colour controls. The most common excuse is the manufacturer's factory adjustment is good enough.

[4691mls]

All bets are off when it comes to the general public, but I think most Mobileread members are tech savvy enough to know they can make brightness adjustments (and possibly other adjustments, depending on the app). That's why it feels condescending when someone in one of these LCD vs Eink threads starts talking about failure to adjust brightness.

[John F]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I find it perfectly believable that a very large portion of approximately 50% of poll responders have failed to adjust the brightness to a level to read comfortably. Some being due to device inadequacies and some being due to their own. ...

I tend to think that people responding to this poll would be tired of the LCD vs eink debate on MR, and have read many times about brightness settings. I find it very believable that if they had previously had their brightness wrong, they may very well have already re-evaluate LCD reading using comfortable brightness settings.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by John F

I tend to think that people responding to this poll would be tired of the LCD vs eink debate on MR,

Doesn't that seem a little counterintuitive to you? Why would people tired of the LCD vs eink debate on MR bother responding to poll that's clearly about the LCD vs eink debate on MR?

Also, why are you assuming that the 79 respondents (at the time of this post) are all long-time MR regulars who have had plenty of time (and the inclination) to experiment with their preferences?

[ApK]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Doesn't that seem a little counterintuitive to you? Why would people tired of the LCD vs eink debate on MR bother responding to poll that's clearly about the LCD vs eink debate on MR?

Masochism? OCPD about someone being wrong on the Internet? This graphic exists here for a reason:

[DiapDealer]

Yes. It use it quite regularly when challenging those who continue to beat the dead horse of eink's supposed inherent superiority.

[John F]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Doesn't that seem a little counterintuitive to you? Why would people tired of the LCD vs eink debate on MR bother responding to poll that's clearly about the LCD vs eink debate on MR?

Not at all. 110 replies in this thread. You are number one with 19. I am tied at number 2 with 8 replies. It rather quickly goes down to 2 and 1. Seems like most of the posters are down to one or two posts. To me, it seems that the number of people actually debating is rather low, with one person in particular doing most of the debating.

Also, why are you assuming that the 79 respondents (at the time of this post) are all long-time MR regulars who have had plenty of time (and the inclination) to experiment with their preferences?

Just because. It seems a little strange to me that given how long the poll has been up, that a lot of short term members would reply. As far as experimenting, I would say why not? Seems to me as a lot of members have gone through multiple devices and would have had the opportunity to re-evaluate. It seems to me for a site that is dedicated to ereading, that members would be interested in what works best for themselves and evaluate accordingly.

[mirage]

I read on my phone for years before getting an ereader less than a year ago. Now, I rarely read on my phone. That said, when I do, I still enjoy it. Kind of like coming home again. The advantages to the phone for me are the vastly smoother and faster performance, a wider variety of (Android) apps, quicker and easier internet searches and translations, and the occasional benefits of color. I'm nearsighted and astigmatic, FWIW, and I'm sensitive to bright light. Because of the latter, I keep the brightness relatively low on the phone, anyway, and don't hesitate to adjust brightness when I feel the need. Which I do with the ereader, too. It doesn't bother me at all to read a whole book on the phone.

I got the ereader because I wanted front lighting instead of back lighting and for the dimensions of the device. I was used to reading on a long, narrow phone, but the more printed page-like form factor of the ereader is preferable to me.

Maybe I'll go back to the phone for a book soon to see what it's like to me after all this time. I do use it when I'm out and about without the ereader sometimes, but it's for shorter periods.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by John F

Just because.

Fair enough. Just remember to allow others to use the same rationale in their arguments.

[John F]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Fair enough. Just remember to allow others to use the same rationale in their arguments.

That's how your argument appeared to me. And why not include the following sentence, which gave my reasoning. I would say my Just Because is equivalent to your I Believe.

No comnent on you number of replies to this thread?

[crossi]

It's not so much the screen as the object. Phones are too small and tablets are too heavy for extended reading.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by John F

No comnent on you number of replies to this thread?

It didn't strike me as all that interesting or relevant. Still doesn't. Sorry. But you have fun with it if you want. I don't mind.

[John F]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

It didn't strike me as all that interesting or relevant. Still doesn't. Sorry.

No need to apologize. If you don't get it, you don't get it.

[Pajamaman]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Good thing nobody actually made that argument, then, huh?

The argument has always been "all photons are the same, so eink lighting is not Better™" .

But don't let that stop you from taking your victory lap.

What a strange post Why do you feel the need to be sarcastic? There was nothing in my post to merit it. Are you not feeling well?

[murraypaul]

Personally I have a different take on the brightness issue, which is that it isn't possible to get the eInk brightness on my device low enough. I read at night in the dark, and can get my phone brightness much much lower, with better contrast, than my eInk device, make it much more comfortable to read on.

If I were reading outside in daylight, I would prefer an eInk reader, but at night I find a OLED reader greatly preferable.