01-30-2018, 09:58 AM | #1 |
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Auto-Hyphenation
I've come on here because I use Sigil to create my ebooks. One of my clients has asked for hyphenation on his book. I always thought this was automatic. I've searched all over the place to find an answer to this but totally confused... Plug-ins for Calibre... CSS etc. I work on a Mac so PC not available.
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01-30-2018, 10:04 AM | #2 |
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Sigil doesn't have any inherent features that would affect hyphenation. It's a question of css and the rendering engine being used to display the ebook. I saw in your original post that the hyphenation is needed in the resulting kindlebook created from the epub.
In that case, you'd probably be better served asking the question in the Kindle forum. Something to the effect of: "is there anything I can do to my epub to ensure hyphenation in the resulting kindlebook?" |
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The Hyphenate This! plugin for Calibre will perhaps do the trick.
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Older devices typically don't have automatic hyphenation, while newer devices typically have a user-controlled preference. The only semi-reliable thing you can do is use CSS to DISABLE hyphens in things like headings: Code:
h1 { -epub-hyphens: none; -webkit-hyphens: none; -ms-hyphens: none; hyphens: none; adobe-hyphenate: none; } Quote:
What the plugin does is inserts soft hyphen characters throughout the book. While this might look okay on the surface, it causes serious issues underneath. Here is just one of the other soft hyphen topics I remember: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...37#post2726037
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Yes, I'm well aware of the fact that it inserts soft hyphens, but that appears to me to be what the OP is asking for.
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If the OP is reading an eBook on a Kindle in KF8, then yes, it is a good idea as it does work properly. Oh and don't apply the hyphens to an ePub. Apply the hyphens to the KF8. |
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Jon's statement is probably correct, but it feels like it is so imprecise that it isn't particularly useful. |
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01-31-2018, 07:30 AM | #9 |
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Moving this to the Workshop forum, as there are both epub and kindlebook aspects to the topic. But as mentioned early on, it's not really a Sigil topic.
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In Microsoft Edge and RMSDK (ADE) you cannot search. I've tested this with RMDSK on the H2O, ADE 2.0.1, and MS Edge.
But, if you are reading ePub with ADE 2.0.1 or later, you get hyphenation. Last edited by JSWolf; 01-31-2018 at 09:23 AM. |
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Since the OP mentioned a client, I assume that this is a book intended for sale. In that case for the Kindle platform hyphenation should be automatic as part of Enhanced Typesetting for anyone reading using a device sold within the last four years or so with recent firmware.
Some e-book formatting can block conversion to KFX format and thus Enhanced Typesetting. The EPUB can be tested using the Kindle Previewer to determine if that is the case. |
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So if soft hyphens are out, because they interfere with searching, I guess that means that the OP is out of luck? Just have to rely on what each device gives you in the way of hyphenation?
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The how is this client going to be reading this eBook? That would help us maybe come up with a solution.
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https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=28108 Similar problem with thin spaces around dashes (I just ran into this in an ebook today! " — " showed up as "?—?" on my device.) Quote:
This also doesn't even get in the madness that is hyphenation in other languages (like German, Dutch, etc., etc., sometimes characters can change/disappear/duplicate depending on the hyphenation split). Soft hyphens are just a horrendous solution all-around. Best to leave it up to the algorithms. Last edited by Tex2002ans; 01-31-2018 at 07:41 PM. |
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In either ePUB or MOBI, you can turn hyphenation off, or on. We typically turn it off, in ePUB, because of the nightmare of clients viewing the ePUBs in ADE, and seeing hyphen ladders willy-nilly. then we turn it back ON, when we give them the finals, so that when they upload it, the resulting final book doesn't suffer from rivers. Regardless, though--the client requires education. When we get the client that insists on hyphenation (just like they insist on "moving that line up, from an otherwise blank page" or widows or orphans or, or, or...), we EDUCATE them. That's an investment in time, that has little return, unfortunately, but if you don't, you either have an unhappy client, or, as discussed above with epubs that aren't searchable, you've made a sh*t book. Take your pick. The correct answer is, educate the client as to the realities of hyphenation. If you inadvertently turned it off, in the CSS, then turn it back on, and explain the "why." WHY you turned it off, assuming you did, WHY you didn't, if you didn't, and so on. If, however, you are trying to humor a client by inserting SPECIFIC hyphens, to address a SPECIFIC line, then stop doing that. You end up giving the client a crap book, which wreaks havoc everywhere it's read. Explain WHY ebooks don't work that way. Don't give an ill-educated client an even worse education. Hitch |
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