05-01-2020, 12:22 PM | #31 |
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Amazon are not doing anything illegal. Nor are they doing anything dishonest. They are just charging a higher price than another retailer.
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VAT avoidance via creative accounting is an art form in Europe ( and a $50Bn bonanza for fraudsters) * I bet amazon pay next to no vat. They will have lots of UK VAT receipted purchases ( warehouses, fork lift trucks) but hardly any sales because those are booked via off shore entities. check the small print on your last amazon invoice for which entity sold you that item. * your average UK self employed/small business man knows how its done, VAT receipts for the car, the wife's car, all the tools, petrol...then x% of work done for cash in hand. VAT returns show a tasty annual refund due... The first thing most householders ask tradesmen, after seeing a quote, is " how much for cash" old data but 1st quote I found: HMRC has estimated that UK taxpayers have lost £1bn-£1.5bn in 2015-16 as a result of VAT fraud, Last edited by stumped; 05-01-2020 at 12:35 PM. |
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I just bought a an ebook from the Google play store and they are still charging VAT.
Thank you for your payment You bought a book on Google Play. Order number: GPB.3115-9568-5195-61528 Order date: 01-May-2020 17:02:12 BST Item Price A Village Scandal (The Village Secrets, Book 2) £0.99 Digital Book Purchase Total: £0.99 (Includes VAT of £0.16) |
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But physical goods originating in the UK are sold by the UK subsidiary (VAT # GB727255821), and the VAT from those sales goes to the UK government. |
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Sue them? Class action !! |
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Amazon's Corporate Tax bill is unrelated to VAT collection. There has never been any suggestion of VAT fraud. Sky was doing dodgy stuff, in Ireland they charged IRISH VAT on installs, but sent all VAT on Irish subscriptions to the UK VAT people. VAT Carousel Fraud is quite a different thing. Also historically Amazon was putting all retail profit into acquisitions and building datacentres, both tax deductible expenditures. Now they are doing avoidance on AWS profits. That's nothing to do with VAT. The publisher set price includes VAT or Tax at whatever rate it is. IMO the publisher should not be setting retail price, but a cost to Amazon, then Amazon should charge whatever they want. The supplier pricing model for all "esales" seems broken and a throw back to before the 1960s when makers set retail prices. That's illegal now for physical products. They set a price to the retailer, not the customer. |
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Are typical contracts EU wide or country by country? If the UK is now out of the EU, does that complicate selling "from Luxembourg"? |
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s true that Amazon's VAT is not UK VAT then Amazon will have to eat the VAT or piss off a lot of customers. |
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I looked for the guardian article that yesterday predicted Amazon books would be cheaper. I found the article but Was hoping to find readers comments but failed( often the case with guardian, sometimes there are excellent comments , sometimes they are missing. ) Was hoping to see lots of oh no they aren't....
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The contracts between Amazon and publishers set the minimum price that the retail customer must pay.
Think of it as price fixing, because it's a legal version of that. Does not only apply to books. A company selling high end fashion, or hifi, will contractually force retailers not to discount below a set floor So Amazon has agreed contractually to sell book X for £Y. Changes to vat do not affect that contract. If vat had gone up, to say 30%, Amazon could / should still have sold for £Y, that's the deal they made. I don't like it any more than you do. If you want to organise a no win no fee class action, sign me up |
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Amazon needs come out with why VAT free does not mean a lower price in most cases. Then Amazon needs to do something about it so VAT free does mean a lower price.
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