Developers of the MP3 Have Officially Killed It - Page 6

tubemonkey · 05-24-2017, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Catlady

Oh, sorry--my bad; I don't know what I was thinking. The Clip Zip and Clip Sport models definitely can play flac files, as can the AGPTek mp3 player I'm currently using. The newer Clip Jam from Sansa can't, though.

The Clip Jam was the only Clip that didn't support FLAC.

tubemonkey · 05-24-2017, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ratinox

Honest confusion? There *are* five (last time I counted) different models of "Sansa Clip" devices, some of which have nothing in common with the rest besides the name.

There are 6 models:

Clip (2007), Clip+ (2009), Clip Zip (2011), Clip Sport (2014), Clip Jam (2015), Clip Sport Plus (2016)

latepaul · 05-24-2017, 12:39 PM

I remember ripping my CDs to mp3. It took me an entire weekend and broke the DVD drive on my then-new laptop* It was time-consuming in annoying way because the rip of each CD took < 5m. Long enough so there was 'idle time' in the task itself, short enough to not really allow you to start doing something else entirely.

There's no way I would want to go back and re-rip them. Too much effort for too little benefit. I might consider buying them again before I did that.

FWIW the handful of CDs I've bought in the last few years I have ripped to FLAC (as well as mp3).

(*not completely, it would still read DVDs, but after ripping > 200 CDs it no longer read CDs)

Cinisajoy · 05-24-2017, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by latepaul

I remember ripping my CDs to mp3. It took me an entire weekend and broke the DVD drive on my then-new laptop* It was time-consuming in annoying way because the rip of each CD took < 5m. Long enough so there was 'idle time' in the task itself, short enough to not really allow you to start doing something else entirely.

There's no way I would want to go back and re-rip them. Too much effort for too little benefit. I might consider buying them again before I did that.

FWIW the handful of CDs I've bought in the last few years I have ripped to FLAC (as well as mp3).

(*not completely, it would still read DVDs, but after ripping > 200 CDs it no longer read CDs)

I remember when I did all my CDs. I rearranged my kitchen in <5 minute intervals. The CDs and the kitchen took about the same length of time. It amazed me how much one can accomplish in a minute or two.

Catlady · 05-24-2017, 02:39 PM

I don't remember finding it time-consuming to rip the CDs to mp3, though it's been a while since I did all the old ones; what takes forever is tagging them! I still have a lot that haven't been properly tagged (I am rather OCD about it).

Catlady · 05-24-2017, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ratinox

Honest confusion? There *are* five (last time I counted) different models of "Sansa Clip" devices, some of which have nothing in common with the rest besides the name.

Except that I undercut my own argument--I said it didn't seem worth bothering with flac since only my computer could play the files, whereas in truth all my portable devices can play them! Duh!

(My home stereos can't, though. I double-checked that.)

ApK · 05-24-2017, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Catlady

(My home stereos can't, though. I double-checked that.)

Well, if you plug your portable into your home stereo as a source.....

Are you wanting to be convinced to switch to FLAC?

JSWolf · 05-24-2017, 03:23 PM

If you RIP to FLAC and then want a different format, you can use Foobar2000 to convert to the other format from FLAC. You'll still have the FLAC.

Catlady · 05-24-2017, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ApK

Well, if you plug your portable into your home stereo as a source.....

Are you wanting to be convinced to switch to FLAC?

Plugging it in means I can't use a remote, plus there's the issue of battery life unless I also connect the player to an outlet. That's why I like burning mp3 CDs to use in my home stereo. Or I can play mp3 files from a flash drive.

I don't see myself switching to flac, but I do worry about all my preferred file formats becoming obsolete.

JSWolf · 05-24-2017, 03:56 PM

Ripping to FLAC means that you have all the bits from the CD. So if you do someday want to use a different format other than MP3, you don't need to rip again.

rem736 · 05-24-2017, 04:10 PM

i don't buy music cds anymore. but when i did, i would put it into a computer only once. with this one time, i create an iso image of it and stored the image on an external hard drive. then using a virtual cd rom software, i would load the iso image, creating a virtual cd drive with the music cd loaded. from here i begin the ripping process. it's much faster than ripping the physical disc. and it prevents scratching up the physical disc from repeated use. i still have a hard drive with more than 700 images on it. and i've given away most of the physical cds.

ratinox · 05-24-2017, 04:24 PM

I've done four library rips over the years.

The first time was on a G3 iMac (one of the last G3 iMacs) for my Creative Nomad Jukebox, one of the first hard drive-based players with a whopping 6GB drive which I replaced with a 20GB drive. The rip and conversion took a long time as did transfer via USB 1.1.

The second time came shortly after Apple introduced AAC as an option in iTunes. By this point I'd replaced my Nomad with a larger iPod in no small part due to the many times faster Firewire connection.

The third time came soon after ALAC became widely available. Computers and optical drives were fast enough by this point that rip and encoding times per disc were many times faster than the G3 iMac days. And I figured this would be the last time I would re-rip the entire library. I was wrong.

The fourth and final happened over a span of several months late last year and early this year. This time I went FLAC with solid images (each file = 1 complete disc) with CUE sheets and accuraterip checks for everything. This really will be the last time barring total catastrophe with my storage and backups.

chrisridd · 05-24-2017, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ratinox

The fourth and final happened over a span of several months late last year and early this year. This time I went FLAC with solid images (each file = 1 complete disc) with CUE sheets and accuraterip checks for everything. This really will be the last time barring total catastrophe with my storage and backups.

What do you gain by ripping to a single lossless image vs one lossless file per track?

Personally I've just ripped stuff to one ALAC file per track. Though sometimes it is quicker to find a lossless torrent of a CD (important: that I own) than to re-rip it...

rkomar · 05-24-2017, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Catlady

I don't see myself switching to flac, but I do worry about all my preferred file formats becoming obsolete.

Now that MP3 is no longer encumbered by patents, it is less likely to become obsolete than before (at least in the sense of having available programs for decoding it). It is only obsolete as a revenue source for Fraunhofer. So, no need to worry.

ratinox · 05-24-2017, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisridd

What do you gain by ripping to a single lossless image vs one lossless file per track?

Bit-perfect pre-gap and post-gap between tracks.

Also, more efficient storage on large FAT32 file systems.

Quote:

Personally I've just ripped stuff to one ALAC file per track. Though sometimes it is quicker to find a lossless torrent of a CD (important: that I own) than to re-rip it...

C.f. MicroSparc, Inc. vs. Amtype Corp. for why you might not want to be admitting that in public.

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05-24-2017, 12:39 PM	#78
latepaul Wizard Posts: 1,265 Karma: 10203040 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: a variety (mostly kindles and kobos)	I remember ripping my CDs to mp3. It took me an entire weekend and broke the DVD drive on my then-new laptop* It was time-consuming in annoying way because the rip of each CD took < 5m. Long enough so there was 'idle time' in the task itself, short enough to not really allow you to start doing something else entirely. There's no way I would want to go back and re-rip them. Too much effort for too little benefit. I might consider buying them again before I did that. FWIW the handful of CDs I've bought in the last few years I have ripped to FLAC (as well as mp3). (*not completely, it would still read DVDs, but after ripping > 200 CDs it no longer read CDs)

05-24-2017, 02:39 PM	#80
Catlady Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,345 Karma: 52398889 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip	I don't remember finding it time-consuming to rip the CDs to mp3, though it's been a while since I did all the old ones; what takes forever is tagging them! I still have a lot that haven't been properly tagged (I am rather OCD about it).

05-24-2017, 03:23 PM	#83
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 74,349 Karma: 129333690 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	If you RIP to FLAC and then want a different format, you can use Foobar2000 to convert to the other format from FLAC. You'll still have the FLAC.

05-24-2017, 03:56 PM	#85
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 74,349 Karma: 129333690 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Ripping to FLAC means that you have all the bits from the CD. So if you do someday want to use a different format other than MP3, you don't need to rip again.

05-24-2017, 04:10 PM	#86
rem736 purpose priority passion Posts: 645 Karma: 9002000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: socal, usa Device: sony prs-350, b&n ngp, rM2, kindle scribe, boox poke5	i don't buy music cds anymore. but when i did, i would put it into a computer only once. with this one time, i create an iso image of it and stored the image on an external hard drive. then using a virtual cd rom software, i would load the iso image, creating a virtual cd drive with the music cd loaded. from here i begin the ripping process. it's much faster than ripping the physical disc. and it prevents scratching up the physical disc from repeated use. i still have a hard drive with more than 700 images on it. and i've given away most of the physical cds.

05-24-2017, 04:24 PM	#87
ratinox Fanatic Posts: 531 Karma: 5060708 Join Date: Oct 2016 Device: Forma, iPad Air 4	I've done four library rips over the years. The first time was on a G3 iMac (one of the last G3 iMacs) for my Creative Nomad Jukebox, one of the first hard drive-based players with a whopping 6GB drive which I replaced with a 20GB drive. The rip and conversion took a long time as did transfer via USB 1.1. The second time came shortly after Apple introduced AAC as an option in iTunes. By this point I'd replaced my Nomad with a larger iPod in no small part due to the many times faster Firewire connection. The third time came soon after ALAC became widely available. Computers and optical drives were fast enough by this point that rip and encoding times per disc were many times faster than the G3 iMac days. And I figured this would be the last time I would re-rip the entire library. I was wrong. The fourth and final happened over a span of several months late last year and early this year. This time I went FLAC with solid images (each file = 1 complete disc) with CUE sheets and accuraterip checks for everything. This really will be the last time barring total catastrophe with my storage and backups.

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