Infrastructure questions between K Voyage and Paperwhite

GlenBarrington · 05-12-2015, 09:24 AM

I'm thinking of getting rid of my 1st gen Kindle fire and going back to an e reader. I think I like the Amazon environment best of all, I don't really use the Fire as anything but an ebook reader, anyway. But I've got some questions. If you guys would answer them, I'd appreciate it.

Is there ever a time when the mono screen can't handle the graphics reasonably well? (Was a problem with my older Sony's - maps and photos esp)
Do the Readers still use that obnoxious Carousel?
Does the increased pixel density (PPI) of the Voyage make is significantly superior to the Paperwhite?
Is the difference in the built in lighting significant (adaptive light sensor)?
With planning ahead, I don't think I NEED the 3G capability, and it does add weight and $50 (USD) to the cost. Do you consider it an essential item?
I see the readers come with a USB cable only, for charging. Can I use any USB charger (wall or auto) and get acceptable results?
Can non amazon books be sideloaded onto these devices? (With proper mobi conversion, of course)

Josieb1 · 05-12-2015, 09:56 AM

Question 1 - I have no idea, I've never had an issue with pictures in a book but I don't see many.

Question 2 - I've had a kindle ereader since the Kindle Keyboard and they have never used a Carousel, that's only the Fires and yes they still have them.

Question 3 - Yes I think the pixel density (PPI) of the Voyage makes a difference and is better than the PW2.

Question 4 - I use the adaptive lighting sensor on the Voyage and think it's a great addition to the functionality.

Question 5 - 3G is nice to have but not really essential as long as you have wifi at home, or where you plan to load your books.

Question 6 - Yes you can use any micro USB to charge and to load books via USB.

Question 7- Yes non amazon books be sideloaded via either using USB (I use it with calibre) or by emailing direct to your kindles email address (or using Amazons software Send to Kindle which you download to your PC)

HarryT · 05-12-2015, 11:33 AM

Glen, no eInk Kindle has ever had a Carousel. They use a library screen which is either a list of book covers or (my personal preference) a textual listing of titles and authors.

ApK · 05-12-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

Question 5 - 3G is nice to have but not really essential as long as you have wifi at home, or where you plan to load your books.

Before I had a smartphone, the 3G on my KK got a lot of use. I'd check email, look stuff up, etc. With a smart phone, I can't imagine bothering with it. If I ever need that kind of connectivity on my Kindle, I could use my phone as a hotspot and connect a wifi Kindle. But I can see how some people with certain use cases would get value. I'd think you'd know if you were one of them.

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Question 6 - Yes you can use any micro USB to charge and to load books via USB.

"Any" charger as long as it supplies sufficient current, of course.

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Question 7- Yes non amazon books be sideloaded via either using USB (I use it with calibre) or by emailing direct to your kindles email address (or using Amazons software Send to Kindle which you download to your PC)

I believe you can also still sideload by downloading files using the 'experimental' browser, yes? E.g. via Calibre's content server, or by just downloading right from PG, or an author's website, like my KK can?

HarryT · 05-12-2015, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ApK

"Any" charger as long as it supplies sufficient current power, of course.

The Kindle charges fine from a standard 5W (5V @1A) USB charger. It doesn't need a higher-power charger like most tablets do. I've certainly never come across a USB charger that won't charge an eInk Kindle.

eschwartz · 05-12-2015, 11:43 AM

The KK could use the 3G for browsing/email/stuff, but people abused it... so now the 3G is limited on newer devices to Kindle Store use as well as the proxied Wiki/translations ACXs (old devices still work but are capped at 50MB/month).

ApK · 05-12-2015, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

The KK could use the 3G for browsing/email/stuff, but people abused it... so now the 3G is limited on newer devices to Kindle Store use as well as the proxied Wiki/translations ACXs (old devices still work but are capped at 50MB/month).

So the 3G is quite a bit less useful now, unless you just do a lot of impulse ebook purchasing from Amazon.
But it's more open when using wifi, right? You could download mobi and az3 files right to the device when on wifi, including when connected to a cellular hotspot.

ApK

eschwartz · 05-12-2015, 12:43 PM

Correct. WiFi is not restricted -- just the Amazon-supplied 3G is filtered.

dordale · 05-12-2015, 01:58 PM

I think you've gotten good answers to your questions here--just wanted to point out that 3g adds $70 to the US price of either the PW or the Voyage (not $50 as you mentioned).

GlenBarrington · 05-13-2015, 06:49 AM

Thanks guys, I think I'm going to go with the Voyage!

Josieb1 · 05-13-2015, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApK

Before I had a smartphone, the 3G on my KK got a lot of use. I'd check email, look stuff up, etc. With a smart phone, I can't imagine bothering with it. If I ever need that kind of connectivity on my Kindle, I could use my phone as a hotspot and connect a wifi Kindle. But I can see how some people with certain use cases would get value. I'd think you'd know if you were one of them.

"Any" charger as long as it supplies sufficient current, of course.

I believe you can also still sideload by downloading files using the 'experimental' browser, yes? E.g. via Calibre's content server, or by just downloading right from PG, or an author's website, like my KK can?

I believe you can sideload using the browser but I've only ever tried with Dropbox and I could never get it to work properly.

badgoodDeb · 05-13-2015, 01:24 PM

I think you'll love the Voyage. I've had one since last fall -- I love it. I bought a Kindle Fire HD 7 a few weeks ago, and returned it in 2 days. Not my cuppa tea, and had no advantages for me.

patrickt · 05-13-2015, 05:13 PM

I totally agree with Deb. I have my Kindle Paperwhite 1 and my Kindle Voyage and my Nexus 5 cell phone. I need a tablet like a sports car needs a winch.

cvkemp · 05-13-2015, 05:48 PM

I have an IPhone 5s so I do use my Nexus 7 instead of a computer when I travel. And I also have in the past used my kindle app on the tablet for reading. I know that I still will at times but I plan to read on the PW2 a lot more than on the tablet from now on.

JSWolf · 05-13-2015, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GlenBarrington

1. Is there ever a time when the mono screen can't handle the graphics reasonably well? (Was a problem with my older Sony's - maps and photos esp)

It's not that the Kindles cannot handle graphics well enough. It's a problem with low resolution images such as maps because the PW has a higher resolution and the Voyage has an even higher resolution. So some graphics can be too small to be clearly visible and when you have graphics such as a map where you also have text, it's not good. This is not a problem of the Kindles but a problem that the publishers have no clue how to properly produce eBooks.

05-12-2015, 09:24 AM	#1
GlenBarrington Cheese Whiz Posts: 1,986 Karma: 11677147 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Springfield, Illinois Device: Kindle PW, Samsung Tab A 10.1(2019), Pixel 6a.	Infrastructure questions between K Voyage and Paperwhite I'm thinking of getting rid of my 1st gen Kindle fire and going back to an e reader. I think I like the Amazon environment best of all, I don't really use the Fire as anything but an ebook reader, anyway. But I've got some questions. If you guys would answer them, I'd appreciate it. Is there ever a time when the mono screen can't handle the graphics reasonably well? (Was a problem with my older Sony's - maps and photos esp) Do the Readers still use that obnoxious Carousel? Does the increased pixel density (PPI) of the Voyage make is significantly superior to the Paperwhite? Is the difference in the built in lighting significant (adaptive light sensor)? With planning ahead, I don't think I NEED the 3G capability, and it does add weight and $50 (USD) to the cost. Do you consider it an essential item? I see the readers come with a USB cable only, for charging. Can I use any USB charger (wall or auto) and get acceptable results? Can non amazon books be sideloaded onto these devices? (With proper mobi conversion, of course) Last edited by GlenBarrington; 05-12-2015 at 09:43 AM.

05-12-2015, 11:33 AM	#3
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383043 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Glen, no eInk Kindle has ever had a Carousel. They use a library screen which is either a list of book covers or (my personal preference) a textual listing of titles and authors. Last edited by HarryT; 05-12-2015 at 11:37 AM.

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05-12-2015, 09:56 AM	#2
Josieb1 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,009 Karma: 18018738 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Device: Kobo Forma, Libra2, Clara 2e, Kindle PW SE & Kindle 2022	Question 1 - I have no idea, I've never had an issue with pictures in a book but I don't see many. Question 2 - I've had a kindle ereader since the Kindle Keyboard and they have never used a Carousel, that's only the Fires and yes they still have them. Question 3 - Yes I think the pixel density (PPI) of the Voyage makes a difference and is better than the PW2. Question 4 - I use the adaptive lighting sensor on the Voyage and think it's a great addition to the functionality. Question 5 - 3G is nice to have but not really essential as long as you have wifi at home, or where you plan to load your books. Question 6 - Yes you can use any micro USB to charge and to load books via USB. Question 7- Yes non amazon books be sideloaded via either using USB (I use it with calibre) or by emailing direct to your kindles email address (or using Amazons software Send to Kindle which you download to your PC)

05-12-2015, 11:43 AM	#6
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,422 Karma: 85397180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	The KK could use the 3G for browsing/email/stuff, but people abused it... so now the 3G is limited on newer devices to Kindle Store use as well as the proxied Wiki/translations ACXs (old devices still work but are capped at 50MB/month).

05-12-2015, 12:43 PM	#8
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,422 Karma: 85397180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Correct. WiFi is not restricted -- just the Amazon-supplied 3G is filtered.

05-12-2015, 01:58 PM	#9
dordale Wizard Posts: 1,731 Karma: 3472866 Join Date: Apr 2008 Device: Sony PRS-650 & 350; Kindle Voyage; Kobo Aura HD, Aura One, and Forma	I think you've gotten good answers to your questions here--just wanted to point out that 3g adds $70 to the US price of either the PW or the Voyage (not $50 as you mentioned).

05-13-2015, 06:49 AM	#10
GlenBarrington Cheese Whiz Posts: 1,986 Karma: 11677147 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Springfield, Illinois Device: Kindle PW, Samsung Tab A 10.1(2019), Pixel 6a.	Thanks guys, I think I'm going to go with the Voyage!

05-13-2015, 01:24 PM	#12
badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,501 Karma: 64095689 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	I think you'll love the Voyage. I've had one since last fall -- I love it. I bought a Kindle Fire HD 7 a few weeks ago, and returned it in 2 days. Not my cuppa tea, and had no advantages for me.

05-13-2015, 05:13 PM	#13
patrickt Wizard Posts: 1,221 Karma: 8381518 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oaxaca, Mexico Device: Paperwhite 4 X 2	I totally agree with Deb. I have my Kindle Paperwhite 1 and my Kindle Voyage and my Nexus 5 cell phone. I need a tablet like a sports car needs a winch.

05-13-2015, 05:48 PM	#14
cvkemp Loving life Posts: 1,412 Karma: 7991496 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hot Springs Village, Arkansas Device: PaperWhite 5,iPhone 13, IPad, MacBook Air	I have an IPhone 5s so I do use my Nexus 7 instead of a computer when I travel. And I also have in the past used my kindle app on the tablet for reading. I know that I still will at times but I plan to read on the PW2 a lot more than on the tablet from now on.

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