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Old 01-08-2019, 09:25 AM   #1036
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I'm not trying to remember something I read before, I'm looking for a historical answer. And neither Google nor Quora have been any help. Here goes:

What was the first (science?) fictional story to suppose that a criminal could be identified, captured, and/or convicted using DNA evidence?
While this doesn't answer your question, you might find some clues in this article from the Science History Institute: "Forensic Chemistry in Golden-Age Detective Fiction: Dorothy L. Sayers and the CSI Effect." As an attorney who deals in cases that have criminal components, I can assure you that the CSI effect is very real, and very damaging, in criminal court.
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Old 01-08-2019, 02:18 PM   #1037
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While this doesn't answer your question, you might find some clues in this article from the Science History Institute: "Forensic Chemistry in Golden-Age Detective Fiction: Dorothy L. Sayers and the CSI Effect." As an attorney who deals in cases that have criminal components, I can assure you that the CSI effect is very real, and very damaging, in criminal court.
This is hilarious. That's actually the article that inspired me to ask the question!
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Then thank you both -- that was an interesting article!
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I'm not trying to remember something I read before, I'm looking for a historical answer. And neither Google nor Quora have been any help. Here goes:

What was the first (science?) fictional story to suppose that a criminal could be identified, captured, and/or convicted using DNA evidence?
Patricia Cornwell's Postmortem was published in 1990,and I believe is generally regarded as the first. At that time, DNA profiling was so new very few people were aware of it but Cornwell was working as a computer analyst at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Richmond, Virginia at the time of the investigation and trial of Timothy Wilson Spencer.

In 1988 Spencer was the first serial killer to be convicted on the basis of DNA evidence and he was executed in 1994. The very first DNA profiling in a criminal case was in Leicester, UK in 1986.
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Patricia Cornwell's Postmortem was published in 1990,and I believe is generally regarded as the first. At that time, DNA profiling was so new very few people were aware of it but Cornwell was working as a computer analyst at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Richmond, Virginia at the time of the investigation and trial of Timothy Wilson Spencer.

In 1988 Spencer was the first serial killer to be convicted on the basis of DNA evidence and he was executed in 1994. The very first DNA profiling in a criminal case was in Leicester, UK in 1986.
Interesting, so nothing before 1986? No examples like H.G. Wells predicting the atomic bomb, Arthur C. Clarke predicting geostationary satellites, or Philip K. Dick predicting virtual and augmented reality?
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Interesting, so nothing before 1986? No examples like H.G. Wells predicting the atomic bomb, Arthur C. Clarke predicting geostationary satellites, or Philip K. Dick predicting virtual and augmented reality?
Holmes had some quasi-scientific guesses with references to what would be fingerprinting and blood-typing.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:21 PM   #1042
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Someone on another forum that I frequent is looking for a book. Copied from there:

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Back in the preinternet days, I collected obscure UK mystery novels from the start of the 20th century.

The one I really miss and would like to find again, was from before the golden age, but I can’t remember either author or title.

There was a retired captain who planted his garden with tulips, all a certain number, maybe five or seven, to a bed. This was either a clue or a red herring.

There was an eccentric old lady whose house opened onto the town’s wall - set in south west England.

There was a church or cathedral and supposed to be buried treasure which criminals were looking for, and the good people were looking for to save it. The treasure had belonged to an abbot or a bishop, who was buried there. Eventually the treasure was discovered to be buried with him in a hidden vault accessed through what appeared to be his tomb. The goodies arranged to leave it there and make it impossible to access it.

Anyone know it? I have been looking for years without success.

Not by anyone as well known as M R James, and it was a novel, not a short story.

It is frustrating because I have a a vague idea of the title being something like The something Abbot or The Abbot’s something, but I have never been able to find it. In style, and probably date, it was similar to Fergus Hume’s work. It isn’t any of the ones Project Gutenberg has, but he wrote so much it could have been an obscure one of his.
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:23 PM   #1043
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A couple of days ago I read a history of a bookstore, that mentioned one of their prize books. It didn't provide any bibliographic data for the book. Nor any contact information on their website. The bookstore itself is out of business.

The book was originally published in Russian, for the use of officers of the Soviet Army. (Given its content, I'd assume Special Forces, not regular army.) If an officer lost the book, he was instantly executed. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, it was smuggled to the west, where it was translated into English, and sold on the specialty market.

It was written to help officers ensure that their troops survive in urban/semi-urban combat. It lists things such as distance that a match can be seen at night, distance that a cigarette can be seen at night (8 miles), distance that one can hear somebody walking (40 feet). Distance that one can hear a rifle being chambered (120 feet). Distance that one can hear a trigger being pulled (10 feet), etc.

It struck me as a very useful book, for somebody who writes stories about combat, but hasn't been in the military. Or maybe even if they had been in the military. The article said that its most popular audience appeared to members of the officers of the US Marine Corp.
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Old 03-27-2019, 07:33 PM   #1044
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Okay, here's my nagging memory. Read it in a library anthology, probably one of the annual bests of...

Short SF story, by Poul Anderson, I think. Might be Farmer.

A man walking down a city street meets a woman, both are amazed and delighted to discover they are telepaths. Minds touch, thrilled to know they aren't alone, discovering all the great things about each other, followed by the secret, hidden, not so nice things, the insecurities, petty moves, jealousies, hates... Disgusted, they break away swearing to forever avoid each other.

The whole encounter over in an instant.
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Sorry I'm answering this so late - it sounds like Journey's End, by Poul Andersorn.
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Old 03-29-2019, 06:50 PM   #1045
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I'm also looking for a short story. It moved me and made me laugh out loud on the train into London, more than thirty years ago. I thought it was in a Robert Silverberg collection, but I've looked through a list of all his works and none of them stand out.

The premise is that of a mild-mannered man who cannot understand why some people are so abrasive, so different from himself. Then one day he has an epiphany, realising that we are like a stew, some people are onions, some are carrots and some are potatoes. Carrots are not elongated orange onions, they are something distinct in themselves, and from that day he stops trying to understand people from his perspective on life. And he starts standing up for himself.

The one scene I can remember is where he is sitting at the front of a traffic queue when the lights change to green. When he doesn't move immediately, the car behind him honks their horn. Instead of sucking it up as he once would have, he gets out his car and approached the driver behind him, and explains the error of the driver's ways.

There's also another scene where he is told he can't come into a restaurant because he hasn't got a tie, though I can't remember much else.

I have been searching for this story for years. I would be eternally grateful if someone could identify it.
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"Cordle to Onion to Carrot" by Robert Sheckley.
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"Cordle to Onion to Carrot" by Robert Sheckley.
Wow! Thanks so much. So it was Robert Sheckley, not Silverberg. No wonder I couldn't find it. Much kudos.
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Looking for a Kindle sci-fi book

Hi everyone

I've been trying to find a kindle space sci-fi book I can faintly remember from browsing through the site in the last year or two, I haven't read the book but I do recall the write-up.

From what I remember of the synopsis the book was a space sci-fi set in the far future. Humans have been almost wiped out by an alien race and the story focused on one of the last, possibly only remaining ships.

An old, dilapidated (I think prison) vessel commanded by a woman captain desperately trying to keep every thing from falling apart as the equipment fails and their hunted down by the aliens.

I hope this is enough detail for someone to recognise the book.

Many thanks in advance.
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I've been trying to find a kindle space sci-fi book I can faintly remember from browsing through the site in the last year or two
Do you have amazon browsing history switched on? If so, it'll be there.
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Thanks for the suggestion but I was using my laptop and I've unfortunately changed machines since then.
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