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Old 03-17-2016, 10:14 PM   #46
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I was not aware before that authors' estates could dictate which publishing format was used (mass market paperback, trade paperback, gilt-edged leather-bound, etc.). Is this unusual?
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Old 03-17-2016, 10:25 PM   #48
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I was not aware before that authors' estates could dictate which publishing format was used (mass market paperback, trade paperback, gilt-edged leather-bound, etc.). Is this unusual?
In this case the contract was specifically for only a mass market edition and they've declined to renew the contract AFAIK. The trade paperback and hard cover are published by a completely different publisher.
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In this case the contract was specifically for only a mass market edition and they've declined to renew the contract AFAIK. The trade paperback and hard cover are published by a completely different publisher.
Ah, so this could be a complete non-story and they may just be looking for a new MMPB publisher.
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Old 03-18-2016, 07:59 PM   #50
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Ah, so this could be a complete non-story and they may just be looking for a new MMPB publisher.
They could be.

But, more likely, they've drunk the big publisher's Kool-Aid and think that they'll make more money by raising the prices. After all, the government (where most schools are) has plenty of money, and TKAM has been in the curriculum for decades.

What the heirs have ignored is that the schools will make a decision based on the reality that they don't have a lot of money, and will choose a different book to use.

The heirs will also discover that when a new physical book gets too pricey, the used versions start selling like hotcakes, and there are lot of used copies of TKAM out there.
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What the heirs have ignored is that the schools will make a decision based on the reality that they don't have a lot of money, and will choose a different book to use.
To the students indescribable pleasure.
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There are so many things we don't know with the will being sealed. Maybe it was Lee herself that made that request and the family wanted the will sealed so she doesn't come off as a bod guy. We'll never know.

I do know that my first thoughts were that whoever made that decision wanted a cash grab. Why else put the kibosh on the cheapest version of the book? I don't think it's a quality control issue. But, we'll never know. *shrugs*
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I do know that my first thoughts were that whoever made that decision wanted a cash grab. Why else put the kibosh on the cheapest version of the book? I don't think it's a quality control issue. But, we'll never know. *shrugs*
The release of GO SET A WATCHMAN was also a cash grab.

We have no way of know the state of the Lee estate or why they want/need more money.
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We have no way of know the state of the Lee estate or why they want/need more money.
Why would you hold a valuable intellectual property asset and do anything with it other than to maximize the value in whatever way you are advised by a marketing expert? It's not a matter of needing or not needing money. If you don't need the money, give it to charity.

I can see a life-saving drug being an exception. I can't see if for a book anyone can get in the library.

As for school districts being a reasonable object of charity, some are, and some aren't. Keeping down the price for everyone who buys the book, to help a few who are genuinely needy, would be quite an inefficient form of charity.

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As for school districts being a reasonable object of charity, some are, and some aren't. Keeping down the price for everyone who buys the book, to help a few who are genuinely needy, would be quite an inefficient form of charity.
I get your point, but offering a MMPB is hardly charity.
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Why would you hold a valuable intellectual property asset and do anything with it other than to maximize the value in whatever way you are advised by a marketing expert? It's not a matter of needing or not needing money. If you don't need the money, give it to charity.

I can see a life-saving drug being an exception. I can't see if for a book anyone can get in the library.

As for school districts being a reasonable object of charity, some are, and some aren't. Keeping down the price for everyone who buys the book, to help a few who are genuinely needy, would be quite an inefficient form of charity.
School districts with their masses of captive buyers are not in any way, shape, or form charity unless you are selling at a loss. If you keep the price down you are competitive in maintaining a marketing tool which in this case makes a dusty old book depicting events and attitudes of nearly a hundred years ago a well known classic.

If the price goes up very high the school districts will pick somebody else's book.
As well they should.
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If the price goes up very high the school districts will pick somebody else's book.
As well they should.
And maybe the estate doesn't care about future needs, only the here and now needs for C-A-S-H.

The assumption here is they can afford to wait for mass market pennies to trickle in. That those pennies are enough to cover their waiting bills. That assumption might not be correct.

Try this scenario:

Lee has been sick for years.
Before that, her sister was sick for years. Then she died.
Imagine big medical expenses. Add a variety of taxes. Declining non-mass market sales.
Imminent bankruptcy forstalled by releasing WATCHMAN.
Then Lee dies.
Funeral expenses.
More taxes due.
WATCHMAN sales drying up.

We simply don't know the state of her finances.
She would hardly be the first big name author/celebrity/whatever of some bygone era to die in poverty or close to it.
Fame does not always equal revenues.
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Why does it need to be so complicated? The contract ran out, they decided not to renew it; maybe they're looking for better terms. Some of the posts here are making it sound like there's all this Machiavellian maneuvering that will cause a seismic shift in the entire educational system of the United States.
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Why does it need to be so complicated? The contract ran out, they decided not to renew it; maybe they're looking for better terms. Some of the posts here are making it sound like there's all this Machiavellian maneuvering that will cause a seismic shift in the entire educational system of the United States.
Well, the BPHs are in fact trying to phase out the MMPB format for new books in favor of the more expensive trade paperback format so there actually is a fair amount of manuevering going on. But there isn't enough data out there to start attributing motives in this case.

This isn't like Rowling or King refusing to allow ebook editions: in both those cases explanations were offered. Here no official reasoning has been floated so the knees are just jerking as they usually do...
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Well, the BPHs are in fact trying to phase out the MMPB format for new books in favor of the more expensive trade paperback format so there actually is a fair amount of manuevering going on. But there isn't enough data out there to start attributing motives in this case.

This isn't like Rowling or King refusing to allow ebook editions: in both those cases explanations were offered. Here no official reasoning has been floated so the knees are just jerking as they usually do...
I still buy paper books, and the woman who runs the scifi/mystery bookstore nearby said that many of the MMPB releases are getting very short and small, if they exist at all. If you don't nab one in that short window of time, you're only going to be able to get a trade paperback. This is definitely a strategy of the publishers trying to boost profits. Perhaps those here who only buy ebooks now have been insulated from this, but to those of us who still buy paper, the cynical view about price gouging is getting hard to avoid.
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