AI written books - Page 23

DiapDealer · 12-08-2023, 06:13 PM

Reminds me of the pointless Facebook posts where people posted legal-sounding copy/paste snippets that they believed could be used to take back rights they'd already given Facebook by creating an account.

It's like trying to legally prevent anyone from being inspired by other's works.

The mere act of typing up random legalese does not actually make something legally binding.

Quoth · 12-08-2023, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

I tend to wonder how much use the following will be that I've seen in a couple of books recently. One of the author's comment in response to an email query was that they have found evidence that several of their books have been used by AI projects without permission or payment.

The issue is copyright. Either the LLM makers are in violation or they are not. Adding extra prohibitions is pointless.

And the rules for fair use are most generous in the USA and in other places there is no such thing as "fair use", you need written permission.

The lawyers in USA will want paid well to argue if LLM training on copyright works without licence is fair use.

Quoth · 12-08-2023, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

The mere act of typing up random legalese does not actually make something legally binding.

I agree.

ownedbycats · 12-08-2023, 10:10 PM

I've definitely seen those disclaimers in fanfiction. I'm not sure if it does any good.

DNSB · 12-08-2023, 10:57 PM

From what I have found digging around several sites, it appears that those disclaimers are supposed to make it easier to sue the companies feeding those copyrighted works to their databases. Currently you would have to prove that they used more than the rather vague fair use limits while the disclaimer makes any use actionable. Much like the old disclaimers about copying/storing/retrieving a work using any means whether current or yet to be invented which had a spotty record before the courts.

Whether this will actually work in a courtroom has not yet been tested.

leebase · 12-09-2023, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Reminds me of the pointless Facebook posts where people posted legal-sounding copy/paste snippets that they believed could be used to take back rights they'd already given Facebook by creating an account.

Briliant

12-08-2023, 06:13 PM	#331
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,552 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Reminds me of the pointless Facebook posts where people posted legal-sounding copy/paste snippets that they believed could be used to take back rights they'd already given Facebook by creating an account. It's like trying to legally prevent anyone from being inspired by other's works. The mere act of typing up random legalese does not actually make something legally binding. Last edited by DiapDealer; 12-08-2023 at 06:16 PM.

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12-08-2023, 10:10 PM	#334
ownedbycats Custom User Title Posts: 8,639 Karma: 61234567 Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Canada Device: Kobo Libra H2O, formerly Aura HD	I've definitely seen those disclaimers in fanfiction. I'm not sure if it does any good.

12-08-2023, 10:57 PM	#335
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 35,464 Karma: 145525534 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Forma, Clara HD, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	From what I have found digging around several sites, it appears that those disclaimers are supposed to make it easier to sue the companies feeding those copyrighted works to their databases. Currently you would have to prove that they used more than the rather vague fair use limits while the disclaimer makes any use actionable. Much like the old disclaimers about copying/storing/retrieving a work using any means whether current or yet to be invented which had a spotty record before the courts. Whether this will actually work in a courtroom has not yet been tested.