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My recollection of things he has said in the past, leaves me with a memory that he felt forced to continue writing in the Elric vein, and it is never good to write under that condition. Other comments of his has led me to believe, that he doesn't truly value the potential of such stories or even really fully respect that genre. I'm not sure either, that he respected Robert E. Howard, for instance, as much as he should have, considering. So perhaps a bit of snobbery on his part, some bias. In a way, he seems to deliberately avoid, what often makes other writers very popular, in the methods of writing he uses. He almost wears that like a badge of honor, but sometimes I feel it is to the detriment of some of his stories, makes some feel less complete and more an exercise or experiment. That's my perception of it anyway. I could be wrong though, especially in regard to his writings in the last decade or two, which I am not really familiar with yet. Please don't get me wrong though, as I do value him as a writer, even admire a bunch of his stuff. We are all flawed in some way. Last edited by Timboli; 10-20-2019 at 08:25 AM. |
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Without wishing to offend others, I do not tbink Moorcock is in the same league as Howard or Burroughs. I suspect his prolific writing was fueled by amphetimine use, and he knocked it out en masse, and it shows. I'm also surprised to read how high-brow and snobbish he seems in that article. An elevated tone for someone who banged out poor quality pulp. Returning the fairt tale (or mythic), I was reading Peter Pan and I was struck that Pan might well be the model for Tolkien's elves. I'm reading Hoffman's the Sandman and I'm struck how similar its style is to The Nightland. So I agree with Moorcock's insight, but not his ctiticism. Fueling a powerful fantasy work on a child's fairy story is not a failing. It may be a necessity. And those old fairy stories, unlike the sanitized works of today, contained much that was dark... Last edited by Pajamaman; 10-20-2019 at 08:50 PM. |
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The later Sunset Warrior books ain't bad. Lustbader can write. He can really write, and does beautiful exoticism. I recently read the start of I think the Dai San. It's all about Shang Hang Sei the city. It's really good. A forgotten gem. But the later books without Ronin definately lack that center. |
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I started with Lustbader's fantasy series, then read several of his Ninja based novels. He is a damn good writer and blend of East meets West ... at least for his earlier stuff. I've not read any of his recent thriller novels yet (Bourne etc). |
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Though I guess Undeveloped (or Under-developed) is another one and similar to Immature. So fair enough. Last edited by Timboli; 10-21-2019 at 07:22 AM. |
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The world lost a great author when he got killed so young, during the War. I was not aware of how far back the Sandman went, very interesting, thanks for that. Not familiar with Hoffman either. Quote:
For those who don't know - While 'Geralt of Rivia' is an albino and sword master, plus he can cast spells, he is not really an anti-hero in the vein of Elric or even like Conan in that regard, though I find him more like Conan than Elric. In fact, I don't think you can really call him an anti-hero. Geralt has two swords, neither of them magic, one just being Silver and the other Iron from a meteorite. He is a monster killer for hire, and sometimes those monsters come in human form. Any magic is really in him and how he was nurtured and taught. He can see in the dark for instance, and has lightning reflexes well beyond a humans. He is described as some kind of mutation. Despite how many in the stories judge him, he serves good, but is often forced to choose the lesser of two evils ... hence much of the negative Witcher reputation. Anyway, for those who like Elric, Conan and the like, he is a very mature approach to Sword & Fantasy. I like the very deep thinking that often transpires ... and the related sense of mystery. Don't judge a book by its cover so-to-speak. Last edited by Timboli; 10-21-2019 at 07:27 AM. |
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Indeed, each to their own. Personally I think Lustbader's early fantasy contained the same natural inspiration as Howard's Conan, and Lustbader was much better at maintaining that quality across a full novel than Howard.
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I do recall now Elric's anti-hero nature, how no matter he wanted tondo good, everything he touched was cursed. That's what stayed with me. He is truly cursed. Moorcock did a good job on his character. Elric does linger. A masterpiece of fantasy, when the stories were Moorcock's best (Stormbringer IMO)
@timboli. I'll check out the Witcher. I do like Eastern European stuff. Thanks. Last edited by Pajamaman; 10-22-2019 at 11:31 PM. |
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