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Old 12-13-2018, 09:39 AM   #1
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Playing music over BT on a BT-enabled Kindle

Hey there, am interested if someone got custom music playing through BT, or at least has more info that I was able to dig out.

I'm not aware of any Kindle having audio port (besides being able to use VoiceView USB adapter but that's not exactly BT), so I guess this could be used as a list of devices that have BT - https://audible.custhelp.com/app/ans...dle-devices%3F

EDIT: Wrong. Some devices have built-in speakers.

Someone had idea just converting the files to an Audible-compatible format and playing those, will try that in a bit - https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=310960

Playing music in the first place seems to have been made possible in 2011~ but I don't think it applies today, and I bet it doesn't apply to bluetooth - https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh....php?p=1482490

To play audio files without root, you need to convert into Audible's .aax format. If that'll actually register and play in the Audible app is another thing. I guess nobody anticipated and/or wanted this use case yet, because absolutely no tool seems to be supporting converting TO .aax right now.

There's an open bug issue for ffmpeg to support this

https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/7615#ticket


To play audio files with root, someone will have to port an existing music player to the Kindle (or roll their own if they're insane). I'll try looking into this but am far from someone who understands porting to dated Linux systems nor someone who understands audio.
I've tried a bunch of things but I couldn't get any audio to run in any way through SSH.

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I'm not aware of any Kindle having audio port (besides being able to use VoiceView USB adapter but that's not exactly BT), so I guess this could be used as a list of devices that have BT - https://audible.custhelp.com/app/ans...dle-devices%3F
. . . . . .
Did I miss anything?
Yes, the title of the page you linked to.
That is a list of Kindles that supports Audible, not a list of Kindles with Bluetooth.

Some of those models have built-in speaker(s) (what I suppose you would call an "audio port"). That is, all models up to and including the original Kindle Touch (perhaps with one or two exceptions).

Some of those models depend on an external dongle.
Not many, but a few.

Other than that, the models with Bluetooth are the Kindle Basic and the top of the model line each year.
(The cheapest and most expensive models. Why? Go figure.)
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Hey there, am interested if someone got custom music playing through BT, or at least has more info that I was able to dig out.

I'm not aware of any Kindle having audio port (besides being able to use VoiceView USB adapter but that's not exactly BT), so I guess this could be used as a list of devices that have BT - https://audible.custhelp.com/app/ans...dle-devices%3F

Someone had idea just converting the files to an Audible-compatible format and playing those, will try that in a bit - https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=310960

Playing music in the first place seems to have been made possible in 2011~ but I don't think it applies today, and I bet it doesn't apply to bluetooth - https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh....php?p=1482490

Did I miss anything?
Assuming that full BT audio support is present I would expect you to be able to install the mplayer built for kindle on it. I used it on my K3, which does have an earphone jack and speakers, but don't have a newer model to test this on. The mplayer build comes with a launchpad profile, but you should have no big problem creating a KUAL menu entry instead.

With mplayer installed you should be able to play any supported audio file. You can even use it to play internet audio streams, as that was my major use of it on my K3.

I would suggest having kterm installed first so that you can attempt to use mplayer first from a terminal window. That way you can see any error messages and find out if you need additional command line options to specify output via bluetooth.

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Yes, the title of the page you linked to.
That is a list of Kindles that supports Audible, not a list of Kindles with Bluetooth.

Some of those models have built-in speaker(s) (what I suppose you would call an "audio port"). That is, all models up to and including the original Kindle Touch (perhaps with one or two exceptions).

Some of those models depend on an external dongle.
Not many, but a few.

Other than that, the models with Bluetooth are the Kindle Basic and the top of the model line each year.
(The cheapest and most expensive models. Why? Go figure.)
By 'audio port' I actually meant 3.5mm audio jack. Didn't know there are Kindles with actual speakers built-in, gotta looko up a bit more about that then.

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I guess I'll try the mplayer build even though the thread is pretty dated then.
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Assuming that full BT audio support is present I would expect you to be able to install the mplayer built for kindle on it. I used it on my K3, which does have an earphone jack and speakers, but don't have a newer model to test this on. The mplayer build comes with a launchpad profile, but you should have no big problem creating a KUAL menu entry instead.

With mplayer installed you should be able to play any supported audio file. You can even use it to play internet audio streams, as that was my major use of it on my K3.

I would suggest having kterm installed first so that you can attempt to use mplayer first from a terminal window. That way you can see any error messages and find out if you need additional command line options to specify output via bluetooth.

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I SSH'd into the Kindle and played around a bit. It doesn't seem that the mplayer binary will run correctly, alsa tools can't find any sound card through SSH?

The only useful thing I was able to glare out is that on reconnecting BT the files in /chroot/dev/shm change...

[root@kindle shm]# ls -lah /chroot/dev/shm
drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 100 Dec 15 19:44 .
drwxrwxr-x 3 root root 1.0K Sep 20 11:36 ..
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 37.4K Dec 15 19:44 mstream1510_2094
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 152.9K Dec 15 19:23 mstream17956_2986
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 152.9K Dec 15 19:44 mstream21457_3718

Also looks like Kindle has built-in mplay that seems to be capable of playing .wav, but executing it just gives back a status code 1.

This is output from trying to use the mplayer binary:

https://haste.rys.pw/raw/otocokiqod

Would love some pointers.

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Don't know for sure if this applies:

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2340143

Obvious mplayer needs to know where to send its output.

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Don't know for sure if this applies:

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2340143

Obvious mplayer needs to know where to send its output.

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I've already tried setting it to alsa which is what the helper script does, but I get told off

https://haste.rys.pw/raw/aguxumiheb

if I try with oss -
[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory

mpegpes also fails and while pcm seems to work in terminal, I hear nothing.

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Can you locate the configuration file for the audible player? Do the log files show anything identifying the device it is using? I don't recognize mstream, but looking in my linux /dev/shm directory I see various pulse-* devices, so I assume mstream is the device manager you will need to talk to. Perhaps a web search on mstream will yield fruit.

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Am a bit out of my depth here, not familiar with any of the tools being used. Not sure where else to look for anything audible besides /etc/audisomething

https://i.imgur.com/SHhU2A8.png

Also found /etc/audio/volume which has sinks defined for speakers(?) and headphone(not BT?), which might be just a red herring.

[root@kindle audio]# cat volume
# The number of possible sinks
Sinks = 2

# Sink 1
sink = speaker
size = 16
1 = 256 1.0
2 = 325 1.0
3 = 332 1.0
4 = 338 1.0
5 = 343 1.0
6 = 347 1.0
7 = 350 1.0
8 = 353 1.0
9 = 356 1.0
10 = 359 1.0
11 = 362 1.0
12 = 365 1.0
13 = 368 1.0
14 = 371 1.0
15 = 374 1.0
16 = 377 1.0

# Sink 2
sink = headphone
size = 16
1 = 256 1.0
2 = 319 1.0
3 = 326 1.0
4 = 332 1.0
5 = 337 1.0
6 = 341 1.0
7 = 344 1.0
8 = 347 1.0
9 = 350 1.0
10 = 353 1.0
11 = 356 1.0
12 = 359 1.0
13 = 362 1.0
14 = 365 1.0
15 = 368 1.0
16 = 371 1.0
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I am also out of my depth as I don't currently use bluetooth audio on linux and don't have a kindle with it. Just did a search on "linux alsa bluetooth audio" and got some interesting results. What do you see in /etc/bluetooth there? Perhaps an audio.conf file?

From this search it appears that pulseaudio is the usual method used for BT audio, but does not look like kindle uses it.

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In the past, Amazon's kernel configuration did not contain a complete, general purpose, Bluetooth stack.
They only configured the portion required to support their own products/recommendations.

So start by examining the kernel configuration file (usually in /proc).
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I am also out of my depth as I don't currently use bluetooth audio on linux and don't have a kindle with it. Just did a search on "linux alsa bluetooth audio" and got some interesting results. What do you see in /etc/bluetooth there? Perhaps an audio.conf file?

From this search it appears that pulseaudio is the usual method used for BT audio, but does not look like kindle uses it.

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no bluetooth folder sadly.

https://haste.rys.pw/raw/lasecevame

also found one more file related to audio, but could also be red herring.

https://haste.rys.pw/raw/unuzeloxuj

Not sure what exactly to look for in /proc, tried asound but that just has a few files, and one of them is devices which just says "no sound cards"...

Some of the bluetooth stuff I checked was uninteresting

https://haste.rys.pw/raw/kafocepebi
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Can you initiate audible playback via SSH? If so, might be interesting to see what shows on the console. This might especially be true if there is a debug or verbose option available.

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Some firmware version expose the kernel config settings, others don't, it might relate to the price of rice in china (or crack).

If present on a running system, copy
cp -a /proc/config.gz <somewhere>
And then examine it like you would any other compressed text file.

And of course, crawling /proc/asound might help (this is not a Kindle):
Code:
mszick@HP8300:~$ ls -la /proc/asound
total 0
dr-xr-xr-x   7 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 .
dr-xr-xr-x 285 root root 0 Nov 30 13:15 ..
dr-xr-xr-x   6 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 card0                                                                                                                                    
dr-xr-xr-x   6 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 card1                                                                                                                                    
dr-xr-xr-x   3 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 card2                                                                                                                                    
-r--r--r--   1 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 cards                                                                                                                                    
-r--r--r--   1 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 devices                                                                                                                                  
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root 5 Dec 16 11:03 DG -> card0                                                                                                                              
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root 5 Dec 16 11:03 HVR950Q -> card2                                                                                                                         
-r--r--r--   1 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 hwdep                                                                                                                                    
-r--r--r--   1 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 modules                                                                                                                                  
dr-xr-xr-x   2 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 oss                                                                                                                                      
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root 5 Dec 16 11:03 PCH -> card1                                                                                                                             
-r--r--r--   1 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 pcm                                                                                                                                      
dr-xr-xr-x   2 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 seq                                                                                                                                      
-r--r--r--   1 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 timers                                                                                                                                   
-r--r--r--   1 root root 0 Dec 16 11:03 version
Similar with /sys - crawl it.
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> Can you initiate audible playback via SSH?
I haven't been able to output any kind of audio via SSH, no clue how I'd go about launching Audible either

EDIT: /proc/config.gz - didn't know this is a thing on Linux!
https://haste.rys.pw/moyakediqe.shell

EDIT2: as I said, i tried looking into asound and found nothing of interest

[root@kindle asound]# ls -lah
dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Dec 16 18:17 .
dr-xr-xr-x 157 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 ..
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 16 18:17 cards
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 16 18:17 devices
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 16 18:17 pcm
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 16 18:17 timers
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 16 18:17 version
[root@kindle asound]# cat ./*
--- no soundcards ---
33: : timer
G0: system timer : 10000.000us (10000000 ticks)
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version k4.1.15-lab126.

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