Just how far can you go? - Page 2

pholy · 11-24-2012, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

If it renders fine in ADE, then it is the fault of the other reading app(s) botching things.

Except, of course, for the bugs in ADE... See the sticky at the top of the forum... No software is perfect - not even (especially?) mine

Jellby · 11-25-2012, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

If it renders fine in ADE, then it is the fault of the other reading app(s) botching things.

Or you could say the same about the other readers:

If it renders fine in other readers, then it is the fault of ADE botching things.

The problem is neither is really true, or useful. As pointed out above, ADE has some bugs, but that's not really important here, because the bugs will not usually make something "render fine" that shouldn't. But ADE has also some extensions (page templates, conditional CSS) that are outside the spec, and other apps are not botching anything by not supporting those. ADE has also its font and default settings that may be different from those used in other apps, and if a book relies too heavily on them it will break when put in a different app.

What you could say is: if an ebook is valid ePub, then it's the fault of [whichever reader] not supporting it properly. But that's not really useful either. First, it's not enough that an ebook validates with epubcheck or flightcrow for it to be valid (validators have bugs and limitations too). And then, blaming a reading app doesn't help in making it work

JSWolf · 11-26-2012, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Or you could say the same about the other readers:

If it renders fine in other readers, then it is the fault of ADE botching things.

Given that most readers and some apps are using ADE, that makes ADE the most used to render ePub. So it's up the the non-ADE apps to be compatible.

DiapDealer · 11-26-2012, 04:04 PM

Yes. Less-popular apps should definitely have to emulate the most popular app's interpretation of the epub specs. That makes perfect sense.

Jellby · 11-27-2012, 11:00 AM

Only until they become the most popular app, then they can rule the world and do as they please

DSpider · 11-27-2012, 08:32 PM

ADE is not that great, IMO.

it needs .NET Framework 3.5 SP1. I hate software like this.
I can't adjust the margins on-the-fly, like in Kindle for PC. It splits into three pages on a widescreen monitor.
the cover thumbnail quirk still hasn't been fixed. I mean, come on... I saw a tutorial that said not to bother with the thumbnail cover in ADE, because it's a bug in the current version. That tutorial was from 2010. :| They still haven't fixed it.

From my experience, small caps didn't show up correctly in ADE, but they did in iBooks. On the other hand, a smiley face from the Wingdings font did show up in ADE, but not in iBooks; go figure. Even with the extra file for embedded fonts.

Reading software is far from perfect. We're back in 1999 where the same web page looked differently in every browser. My advice is to try and stick to as plain e-book as possible, without fancy CSS that will most likely be interpreted differently on each device.

JSWolf · 11-27-2012, 08:49 PM

iBooks doesn't count as it does a lot of things non-standard.

DiapDealer · 11-27-2012, 09:20 PM

Of course it counts. People use it. If the inclusion of "non-standard things" was the determining factor for relevance, then ADE wouldn't likely "count" either.

JSWolf · 11-30-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Of course it counts. People use it. If the inclusion of "non-standard things" was the determining factor for relevance, then ADE wouldn't likely "count" either.

ADE counts because it is the standard.

DiapDealer · 11-30-2012, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

ADE counts because it is the standard.

Hit me with a link to that published ADE standard.

JSWolf · 11-30-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Hit me with a link to that published ADE standard.

ADE is the standard because most readers use ADE, ADE is on most desktops of people who read ePub, some apps use ADE and ADE is used more then any other software to read ePub. That makes it the standard.

DaleDe · 12-01-2012, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

ADE is the standard because most readers use ADE, ADE is on most desktops of people who read ePub, some apps use ADE and ADE is used more then any other software to read ePub. That makes it the standard.

Actually that makes it the de facto standard.

Dale

JSWolf · 12-02-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

Actually that makes it the de facto standard.

Dale

It won't sell if it breaks on ADE. ADE is the de facto industry standard.

11-27-2012, 08:32 PM	#21
DSpider Evangelist Posts: 450 Karma: 343115 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Romania Device: PW2 2014	ADE is not that great, IMO. it needs .NET Framework 3.5 SP1. I hate software like this. I can't adjust the margins on-the-fly, like in Kindle for PC. It splits into three pages on a widescreen monitor. the cover thumbnail quirk still hasn't been fixed. I mean, come on... I saw a tutorial that said not to bother with the thumbnail cover in ADE, because it's a bug in the current version. That tutorial was from 2010. :\| They still haven't fixed it. From my experience, small caps didn't show up correctly in ADE, but they did in iBooks. On the other hand, a smiley face from the Wingdings font did show up in ADE, but not in iBooks; go figure. Even with the extra file for embedded fonts. Reading software is far from perfect. We're back in 1999 where the same web page looked differently in every browser. My advice is to try and stick to as plain e-book as possible, without fancy CSS that will most likely be interpreted differently on each device. Last edited by DSpider; 11-27-2012 at 08:41 PM.

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11-26-2012, 04:04 PM	#19
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,545 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Yes. Less-popular apps should definitely have to emulate the most popular app's interpretation of the epub specs. That makes perfect sense.

11-27-2012, 11:00 AM	#20
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,515 Karma: 18512745 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	Only until they become the most popular app, then they can rule the world and do as they please

11-27-2012, 08:49 PM	#22
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 73,866 Karma: 128597114 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	iBooks doesn't count as it does a lot of things non-standard.

11-27-2012, 09:20 PM	#23
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 27,545 Karma: 193191846 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	Of course it counts. People use it. If the inclusion of "non-standard things" was the determining factor for relevance, then ADE wouldn't likely "count" either.